Comments on: Elizabeth May Scares 3 Out Of 4 Political Leaders http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/ Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:00:48 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Canadian40 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136481 Canadian40 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:38:46 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136481 Jake is right. We have 3 parties to vote for who aren't Neo-Conservative. The Liberals, NDP or Green Party deserve your vote as a protest vote if nothing else.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136481','Canadian40'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136481','Canadian40','Jake is right. We have 3 parties to vote for who aren\'t Neo-Conservative. The Liberals, NDP or Green Party deserve your vote as a protest vote if nothing else.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Jake is right. We have 3 parties to vote for who aren’t Neo-Conservative. The Liberals, NDP or Green Party deserve your vote as a protest vote if nothing else.
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]]> By: Ron Good http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136421 Ron Good Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:43:02 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136421 Jake, with respect: don't mistake a difference in methods for apathy.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136421','Ron Good'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136421','Ron Good','Jake, with respect: don\'t mistake a difference in methods for apathy.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Jake, with respect: don’t mistake a difference in methods for apathy.
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]]> By: Throbbin http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136410 Throbbin Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:56:19 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136410 Precisely.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136410','Throbbin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136410','Throbbin','Precisely.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Precisely.
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]]> By: Jake http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136407 Jake Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:22:08 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136407 Such apathy only enables the Neo-Conservatives.... all Canadians should vote. Vote ABC - anything but conservative. Liberal, Green , NDP or even Libertarian. An absent voter simply gives more statistical DOMINANCE to Fascists like Harper and Bush.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136407','Jake'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136407','Jake','Such apathy only enables the Neo-Conservatives.... all Canadians should vote. Vote ABC - anything but conservative. Liberal, Green , NDP or even Libertarian.\r\n\r\n\r\nAn absent voter simply gives more statistical DOMINANCE to Fascists like Harper and Bush.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Such apathy only enables the Neo-Conservatives…. all Canadians should vote. Vote ABC – anything but conservative. Liberal, Green , NDP or even Libertarian.

An absent voter simply gives more statistical DOMINANCE to Fascists like Harper and Bush.

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]]> By: stageleft http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136366 stageleft Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:02:29 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136366 The closer we get to -0- the more difficult it becomes for governments to use the words "<i>will of Canadians</i>" a crap phrase tossed out by politicians of all political stripes to justify one thing or another that they have done, or are contemplating doing. At some point turn out will become so low that no party will be able to look into the camera and even pretend to represent Canadians - and when that happens so will real electoral & democratic change.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136366','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136366','stageleft','The closer we get to -0- the more difficult it becomes for governments to use the words \"<i>will of Canadians<\/i>\" a crap phrase tossed out by politicians of all political stripes to justify one thing or another that they have done, or are contemplating doing.\r\n\r\nAt some point turn out will become so low that no party will be able to look into the camera and even pretend to represent Canadians - and when that happens so will real electoral & democratic change.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The closer we get to -0- the more difficult it becomes for governments to use the words “will of Canadians” a crap phrase tossed out by politicians of all political stripes to justify one thing or another that they have done, or are contemplating doing.

At some point turn out will become so low that no party will be able to look into the camera and even pretend to represent Canadians – and when that happens so will real electoral & democratic change.

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]]> By: Ron Good http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136365 Ron Good Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:46:48 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136365 wideye, with respect: 1) it's hard for someone to claim a mandate when *nobody* says yes. It's especially hard to claim enough of a mandate to force folks to comply. Here's how you get a mandate to do something: acquire voluntary paying customers. 2) It's not that none of the jobs government does need to be done; it's that those jobs don't need to be done by "one choice only and that choice for all" bureaucratic functionaries with guns on their hips.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136365','Ron Good'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136365','Ron Good','wideye, with respect:\r\n\r\n1) it\'s hard for someone to claim a mandate when *nobody* \r\nsays yes. It\'s especially hard to claim enough of a mandate to force folks to comply. Here\'s how you get a mandate to do something: acquire voluntary paying customers.\r\n\r\n2) It\'s not that none of the jobs government does need to be done; it\'s that those jobs don\'t need to be done by \"one choice only and that choice for all\" bureaucratic functionaries with guns on their hips.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> wideye, with respect:

1) it’s hard for someone to claim a mandate when *nobody*
says yes. It’s especially hard to claim enough of a mandate to force folks to comply. Here’s how you get a mandate to do something: acquire voluntary paying customers.

2) It’s not that none of the jobs government does need to be done; it’s that those jobs don’t need to be done by “one choice only and that choice for all” bureaucratic functionaries with guns on their hips.

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]]> By: wideye http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136358 wideye Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:03:40 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136358 But what will happen if you get the vote down to 0%? I'm ask this with a serious frown on my brow. I know you and SL both don't vote for your reasons but....let's imagine nobody shows up. (the crickets are chirping outside my window right now - very appropriate eh?) It's already well established that the public is disaffected by politics today. Voter turn out is at its lowest and expected to drop further. How will things change? That's my biggest question. Or maybe we are changing things?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136358','wideye'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136358','wideye','But what will happen if you get the vote down to 0%? I\'m ask this with a serious frown on my brow. I know you and SL both don\'t vote for your reasons but....let\'s imagine nobody shows up. (the crickets are chirping outside my window right now - very appropriate eh?) \r\n\r\nIt\'s already well established that the public is disaffected by politics today. Voter turn out is at its lowest and expected to drop further. How will things change? That\'s my biggest question.\r\n\r\nOr maybe we are changing things?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> But what will happen if you get the vote down to 0%? I’m ask this with a serious frown on my brow. I know you and SL both don’t vote for your reasons but….let’s imagine nobody shows up. (the crickets are chirping outside my window right now – very appropriate eh?)

It’s already well established that the public is disaffected by politics today. Voter turn out is at its lowest and expected to drop further. How will things change? That’s my biggest question.

Or maybe we are changing things?

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]]> By: Ron Good http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136352 Ron Good Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:12:07 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136352 Jim Bobby: re Fiscally conservative and socially liberal has been the definition I’ve used to try describing where we stand.

I’ll take that over fiscally liberal and socially conservative anyday.

Me, I don’t vote anymore but it’s because I’m not cynical.

It’s because I’m confident enough in human nature, meaning generally but also also *my* human nature, that I’ve decided the best way to get folks to stop pushing each other around is to be brave enough–and consistent enough–not to do it myself. My thinking is that y’ don’t stop the game by winning goals, you stop it by leaving the field.

Or, as I put it somewhere else: only 22% of voters turned up for the last Alberta provincial election. I work to get that to 0%.

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]]> By: Stageleft:. Life on the left side : I Can Hardly Wait To Read What The Blogging Dippers & The Blogging Tories Have To Say About This http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136319 Stageleft:. Life on the left side : I Can Hardly Wait To Read What The Blogging Dippers & The Blogging Tories Have To Say About This Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:01:06 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136319 [...] on the stage - that’s bullsh*te. I sat here on this very couch not 2 days ago and heard Jason MacDonald say out loud and publicly that three of the four political parties had said they would not attend is Elizabeth May was [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136319','Stageleft:. Life on the left side : I Can Hardly Wait To Read What The Blogging Dippers & The Blogging Tories Have To Say About This'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136319','Stageleft:. Life on the left side : I Can Hardly Wait To Read What The Blogging Dippers & The Blogging Tories Have To Say About This','[...] on the stage - that’s bullsh*te. I sat here on this very couch not 2 days ago and heard Jason MacDonald say out loud and publicly that three of the four political parties had said they would not attend is Elizabeth May was [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] on the stage – that’s bullsh*te. I sat here on this very couch not 2 days ago and heard Jason MacDonald say out loud and publicly that three of the four political parties had said they would not attend is Elizabeth May was [...]
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]]> By: Throbbin http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136312 Throbbin Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:36:46 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136312 The G&M is reporting that Layton AND Harper have caved. Things are unfolding as I had predicted. Throbbin for Prime Minister!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136312','Throbbin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136312','Throbbin','The G&M is reporting that Layton AND Harper have caved.\r\n\r\nThings are unfolding as I had predicted.\r\n\r\nThrobbin for Prime Minister!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The G&M is reporting that Layton AND Harper have caved.

Things are unfolding as I had predicted.

Throbbin for Prime Minister!

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]]> By: wideye http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136294 wideye Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:24:59 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136294 Elizabeth sure gained a mighty platform from the exclusion. Probably even swung some votes her way. I never said it was right that she be excluded but after reading several news outlets this am - that's all I am reading about. She should feel blessed for the opportunity the exclusion has provided her and for the manner in which it was done. If Elizabeth had been included in the debate with no argument, it would have been a none issue. She would have had to wait until the debate. Maybe she is a brilliant debater and would steal the show and maybe she would do just ok. But she has the ears and eyes of everyone now and I don't think she would have gained this much attention without the insult.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136294','wideye'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136294','wideye','Elizabeth sure gained a mighty platform from the exclusion. Probably even swung some votes her way. I never said it was right that she be excluded but after reading several news outlets this am - that\'s all I am reading about. \r\n\r\nShe should feel blessed for the opportunity the exclusion has provided her and for the manner in which it was done. If Elizabeth had been included in the debate with no argument, it would have been a none issue. She would have had to wait until the debate. Maybe she is a brilliant debater and would steal the show and maybe she would do just ok. But she has the ears and eyes of everyone now and I don\'t think she would have gained this much attention without the insult.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Elizabeth sure gained a mighty platform from the exclusion. Probably even swung some votes her way. I never said it was right that she be excluded but after reading several news outlets this am – that’s all I am reading about.

She should feel blessed for the opportunity the exclusion has provided her and for the manner in which it was done. If Elizabeth had been included in the debate with no argument, it would have been a none issue. She would have had to wait until the debate. Maybe she is a brilliant debater and would steal the show and maybe she would do just ok. But she has the ears and eyes of everyone now and I don’t think she would have gained this much attention without the insult.

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]]> By: Progress http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136290 Progress Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:00:25 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136290 Maybe vonrock should stop megadosing on lethal & addictive pharmaceuticals, alcohol and tobacco.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136290','Progress'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136290','Progress','Maybe vonrock should stop megadosing on lethal & addictive pharmaceuticals, alcohol and tobacco.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Maybe vonrock should stop megadosing on lethal & addictive pharmaceuticals, alcohol and tobacco.
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]]> By: vonrock http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136287 vonrock Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:54:22 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136287 stageleft, put down the bong, and I'll type slower Ahh never mind.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136287','vonrock'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136287','vonrock','stageleft, put down the bong, and I\'ll type slower\r\n\r\nAhh never mind.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> stageleft, put down the bong, and I’ll type slower

Ahh never mind.

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]]> By: Canadian http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136285 Canadian Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:57:08 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136285 So not only do the Cons treat the earth as a dumping ground, they also desire to toss the Green party into the corporate media dumpster.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136285','Canadian'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136285','Canadian','So not only do the Cons treat the earth as a dumping ground, they also desire to toss the Green party into the corporate media dumpster.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> So not only do the Cons treat the earth as a dumping ground, they also desire to toss the Green party into the corporate media dumpster.
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]]> By: stageleft http://www.stageleft.info/2008/09/08/elizabeth-may-scares-3-out-of-4-political-leaders/comment-page-1/#comment-136267 stageleft Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:54:41 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4801#comment-136267 It has no merit - the BQ is not running candidates in all ridings so why should any other party involved in the debates have to meet that criteria?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136267','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136267','stageleft','It has no merit - the BQ is not running candidates in all ridings so why should any other party involved in the debates have to meet that criteria?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It has no merit – the BQ is not running candidates in all ridings so why should any other party involved in the debates have to meet that criteria?
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