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		<title>By: Throbbin</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134765</link>
		<dc:creator>Throbbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-134702&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@stageleft&lt;/a&gt; - Why isn&#039;t the MMP system an independents friend?  Please inform.

I would like the opportunity to vote for someone who is not a member of a party if I think they would do a good job representing my constituency - while also be able to vote for a party I would like to form the government.  What&#039;s wrong with that?  How does that entrench party power any more than it already is?

In fact, I think it would lead to more independents getting elected, especially if constituents couldn&#039;t stand the dumbass candidate for their favoured party in their riding, but still wanted to support the party while voting for solid representation.  I can think of 1 or 2 instances where that might occur.

As to that class of MP with no identifiable constituency - one could say his or her constituency is the entire country.  Most people in Canada don&#039;t give a rats ass about who their local MP is - why would this be any different to the majority of Canadians?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134765&#039;,&#039;Throbbin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134765&#039;,&#039;Throbbin&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-134702\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@stageleft&lt;\/a&gt; - Why isn\&#039;t the MMP system an independents friend?  Please inform.\r\n\r\nI would like the opportunity to vote for someone who is not a member of a party if I think they would do a good job representing my constituency - while also be able to vote for a party I would like to form the government.  What\&#039;s wrong with that?  How does that entrench party power any more than it already is?\r\n\r\nIn fact, I think it would lead to more independents getting elected, especially if constituents couldn\&#039;t stand the dumbass candidate for their favoured party in their riding, but still wanted to support the party while voting for solid representation.  I can think of 1 or 2 instances where that might occur.\r\n\r\nAs to that class of MP with no identifiable constituency - one could say his or her constituency is the entire country.  Most people in Canada don\&#039;t give a rats ass about who their local MP is - why would this be any different to the majority of Canadians?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-134702' rel="nofollow">@stageleft</a> &#8211; Why isn&#8217;t the MMP system an independents friend?  Please inform.</p>
<p>I would like the opportunity to vote for someone who is not a member of a party if I think they would do a good job representing my constituency &#8211; while also be able to vote for a party I would like to form the government.  What&#8217;s wrong with that?  How does that entrench party power any more than it already is?</p>
<p>In fact, I think it would lead to more independents getting elected, especially if constituents couldn&#8217;t stand the dumbass candidate for their favoured party in their riding, but still wanted to support the party while voting for solid representation.  I can think of 1 or 2 instances where that might occur.</p>
<p>As to that class of MP with no identifiable constituency &#8211; one could say his or her constituency is the entire country.  Most people in Canada don&#8217;t give a rats ass about who their local MP is &#8211; why would this be any different to the majority of Canadians?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134765','Throbbin'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134765','Throbbin','&lt;a href=\'#comment-134702\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@stageleft&lt;\/a&gt; - Why isn\'t the MMP system an independents friend?  Please inform.\r\n\r\nI would like the opportunity to vote for someone who is not a member of a party if I think they would do a good job representing my constituency - while also be able to vote for a party I would like to form the government.  What\'s wrong with that?  How does that entrench party power any more than it already is?\r\n\r\nIn fact, I think it would lead to more independents getting elected, especially if constituents couldn\'t stand the dumbass candidate for their favoured party in their riding, but still wanted to support the party while voting for solid representation.  I can think of 1 or 2 instances where that might occur.\r\n\r\nAs to that class of MP with no identifiable constituency - one could say his or her constituency is the entire country.  Most people in Canada don\'t give a rats ass about who their local MP is - why would this be any different to the majority of Canadians?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ron Good</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134714</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Werner&#039;s a &quot;&lt;em&gt;conservative&lt;/em&gt;, big or even small &quot;C&quot;&quot;??? 

He was strongly but straight-out implying I was KKK or some other extreme right wing variant when I was saying compulsory voting was a bad idea.

How odd.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134714&#039;,&#039;Ron Good&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134714&#039;,&#039;Ron Good&#039;,&#039;Werner\&#039;s a \&quot;&lt;em&gt;conservative&lt;\/em&gt;, big or even small \&quot;C\&quot;\&quot;??? \r\n\r\nHe was strongly but straight-out implying I was KKK or some other extreme right wing variant when I was saying compulsory voting was a bad idea.\r\n\r\nHow odd.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Werner&#8217;s a &#8220;<em>conservative</em>, big or even small &#8220;C&#8221;"??? </p>
<p>He was strongly but straight-out implying I was KKK or some other extreme right wing variant when I was saying compulsory voting was a bad idea.</p>
<p>How odd.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134714','Ron Good'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134714','Ron Good','Werner\'s a \&quot;&lt;em&gt;conservative&lt;\/em&gt;, big or even small \&quot;C\&quot;\&quot;??? \r\n\r\nHe was strongly but straight-out implying I was KKK or some other extreme right wing variant when I was saying compulsory voting was a bad idea.\r\n\r\nHow odd.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134713</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;absolutely authoritarian&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; idea, ask the government to compel people to do something they are ordinarily would not -- and from a Conservative you say, &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m shocked.......&lt;/i&gt;

Once again, the word &lt;i&gt;idiots&lt;/i&gt; comes immediately to mind.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134713&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134713&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;What an &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;absolutely authoritarian&lt;\/i&gt;&lt;\/b&gt; idea, ask the government to compel people to do something they are ordinarily would not -- and from a Conservative you say, &lt;i&gt;I\&#039;m shocked.......&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nOnce again, the word &lt;i&gt;idiots&lt;\/i&gt; comes immediately to mind.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an <b><i>absolutely authoritarian</i></b> idea, ask the government to compel people to do something they are ordinarily would not &#8212; and from a Conservative you say, <i>I&#8217;m shocked&#8230;&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>Once again, the word <i>idiots</i> comes immediately to mind.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134713','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134713','stageleft','What an &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;absolutely authoritarian&lt;\/i&gt;&lt;\/b&gt; idea, ask the government to compel people to do something they are ordinarily would not -- and from a Conservative you say, &lt;i&gt;I\'m shocked.......&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nOnce again, the word &lt;i&gt;idiots&lt;\/i&gt; comes immediately to mind.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ron Good</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134712</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Just had a lengthy set-to with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wernerpatels.com/2008/06/no-other-way-vo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Werner Patels&lt;/a&gt; over this same issue. Werner&#039;s proposed solution was to make voting compulsory.

Yeah, like that&#039;ll fix things.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134712&#039;,&#039;Ron Good&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134712&#039;,&#039;Ron Good&#039;,&#039;...Just had a lengthy set-to with &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.wernerpatels.com\/2008\/06\/no-other-way-vo.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Werner Patels&lt;\/a&gt; over this same issue. Werner\&#039;s proposed solution was to make voting compulsory.\r\n\r\nYeah, like that\&#039;ll fix things.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Just had a lengthy set-to with <a href="http://www.wernerpatels.com/2008/06/no-other-way-vo.html" rel="nofollow">Werner Patels</a> over this same issue. Werner&#8217;s proposed solution was to make voting compulsory.</p>
<p>Yeah, like that&#8217;ll fix things.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134712','Ron Good'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134712','Ron Good','...Just had a lengthy set-to with &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.wernerpatels.com\/2008\/06\/no-other-way-vo.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Werner Patels&lt;\/a&gt; over this same issue. Werner\'s proposed solution was to make voting compulsory.\r\n\r\nYeah, like that\'ll fix things.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134702</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MMP is not the independents friend, or even the friend of people who vote independent because of that &quot;party top up&quot; - you cast two votes, one for an MP and the other for a party, there is no independent party so independents are immediately at a disadvantage.

And then you get that class of topped up MP who has a seat and a vote but has no identifiable constituency - as I&#039;ve said before, at least there&#039;s a measure of honesty in that, they can represent their party without having to pretend they represent real life people in a riding.

MMP increases party power and dependence, why would you want to rub an already bad rash with sandpaper?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134702&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134702&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;MMP is not the independents friend, or even the friend of people who vote independent because of that \&quot;party top up\&quot; - you cast two votes, one for an MP and the other for a party, there is no independent party so independents are immediately at a disadvantage.\r\n\r\nAnd then you get that class of topped up MP who has a seat and a vote but has no identifiable constituency - as I\&#039;ve said before, at least there\&#039;s a measure of honesty in that, they can represent their party without having to pretend they represent real life people in a riding.\r\n\r\nMMP increases party power and dependence, why would you want to rub an already bad rash with sandpaper?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MMP is not the independents friend, or even the friend of people who vote independent because of that &#8220;party top up&#8221; &#8211; you cast two votes, one for an MP and the other for a party, there is no independent party so independents are immediately at a disadvantage.</p>
<p>And then you get that class of topped up MP who has a seat and a vote but has no identifiable constituency &#8211; as I&#8217;ve said before, at least there&#8217;s a measure of honesty in that, they can represent their party without having to pretend they represent real life people in a riding.</p>
<p>MMP increases party power and dependence, why would you want to rub an already bad rash with sandpaper?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134702','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134702','stageleft','MMP is not the independents friend, or even the friend of people who vote independent because of that \&quot;party top up\&quot; - you cast two votes, one for an MP and the other for a party, there is no independent party so independents are immediately at a disadvantage.\r\n\r\nAnd then you get that class of topped up MP who has a seat and a vote but has no identifiable constituency - as I\'ve said before, at least there\'s a measure of honesty in that, they can represent their party without having to pretend they represent real life people in a riding.\r\n\r\nMMP increases party power and dependence, why would you want to rub an already bad rash with sandpaper?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Throbbin</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134700</link>
		<dc:creator>Throbbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see an MMP (Mixed-Member Proportional) system come into play - it would allow for the independents and well known-and respected local people a chance to get elected, while still allowing for topping-up of party seats based on proportional representation.

I recently learned about it in school, and I thought it was da bomb!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134700&#039;,&#039;Throbbin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134700&#039;,&#039;Throbbin&#039;,&#039;I would like to see an MMP (Mixed-Member Proportional) system come into play - it would allow for the independents and well known-and respected local people a chance to get elected, while still allowing for topping-up of party seats based on proportional representation.\r\n\r\nI recently learned about it in school, and I thought it was da bomb!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see an MMP (Mixed-Member Proportional) system come into play &#8211; it would allow for the independents and well known-and respected local people a chance to get elected, while still allowing for topping-up of party seats based on proportional representation.</p>
<p>I recently learned about it in school, and I thought it was da bomb!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134700','Throbbin'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134700','Throbbin','I would like to see an MMP (Mixed-Member Proportional) system come into play - it would allow for the independents and well known-and respected local people a chance to get elected, while still allowing for topping-up of party seats based on proportional representation.\r\n\r\nI recently learned about it in school, and I thought it was da bomb!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134690</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is too bad there are not more Emersons.  Rather than join the chorus of<br />
&#8220;Liberals who show up en masse to abstain, or donâ€™t show up at all&#8221;, he became a useful elected member of the government.</p>
<p>Our political system allows too much concentration of power.  It worked reasonably well only so long as there were insufficient supporting technologies and no academic delusions that we could effectively manage complex social and economic systems with small numbers of decision makers and an insufficiently agile bureaucracy.</p>
<p>So now we have a political climate in which many people believe government with vast scope and size is desireable (the better to improve their lives at the expense of someone other than themselves since they would presumably see to their own desires if it were otherwise).  But, this is the case only if their &#8220;team&#8221; controls it, since only their &#8220;team&#8221; is wise and benevolent.  Because the power concentrates in the party leader and party representation determines which leader is seated, all voting is skewed to parties and very few truly useful mammals have a chance of being elected independently or obtaining a position in which to apply the weight of their skills and intellect.</p>
<p>All the STV schemes floated so far have been calculated to paper this over without addressing the root cause: the prize is too large.  The best possible parliament is structured like the one we have now.  The faction holding the PMO is checked by virtue of being a minority, and there is more than one possible partner with which to form a voting majority.  The worst possible outcome of a nearly endless series of &#8220;natural governing coalitions&#8221; would be disastrous for the country.</p>
<p>A practical solution is to set a 75% majority threshold to pass legislation.  Nothing would get through unless it commanded wide support.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134690','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134690','lrC','It is too bad there are not more Emersons.  Rather than join the chorus of \r\n\&quot;Liberals who show up en masse to abstain, or don&acirc;€™t show up at all\&quot;, he became a useful elected member of the government.\r\n\r\nOur political system allows too much concentration of power.  It worked reasonably well only so long as there were insufficient supporting technologies and no academic delusions that we could effectively manage complex social and economic systems with small numbers of decision makers and an insufficiently agile bureaucracy.\r\n\r\nSo now we have a political climate in which many people believe government with vast scope and size is desireable (the better to improve their lives at the expense of someone other than themselves since they would presumably see to their own desires if it were otherwise).  But, this is the case only if their \&quot;team\&quot; controls it, since only their \&quot;team\&quot; is wise and benevolent.  Because the power concentrates in the party leader and party representation determines which leader is seated, all voting is skewed to parties and very few truly useful mammals have a chance of being elected independently or obtaining a position in which to apply the weight of their skills and intellect.\r\n\r\nAll the STV schemes floated so far have been calculated to paper this over without addressing the root cause: the prize is too large.  The best possible parliament is structured like the one we have now.  The faction holding the PMO is checked by virtue of being a minority, and there is more than one possible partner with which to form a voting majority.  The worst possible outcome of a nearly endless series of \&quot;natural governing coalitions\&quot; would be disastrous for the country.\r\n\r\nA practical solution is to set a 75% majority threshold to pass legislation.  Nothing would get through unless it commanded wide support.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Democrat=Socialist</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134685</link>
		<dc:creator>Democrat=Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NEWS &amp; OPINION ROUNDUP (2 JULY 2008) THE &quot;BLACK NATIONAL ANTHEM&quot; EDITION...&lt;/strong&gt;

Denver&#8217;s City Council president is getting hammered with hate-filled messages in response to Tuesday&#8217;s surprise performance of the &quot;Black National Anthem&quot; by a jazz singer during a city event.&#160; You can contact him and let him...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134685&#039;,&#039;Democrat=Socialist&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134685&#039;,&#039;Democrat=Socialist&#039;,&#039;&lt;strong&gt;NEWS &amp; OPINION ROUNDUP (2 JULY 2008) THE &quot;BLACK NATIONAL ANTHEM&quot; EDITION...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nDenver&#8217;s City Council president is getting hammered with hate-filled messages in response to Tuesday&#8217;s surprise performance of the &quot;Black National Anthem&quot; by a jazz singer during a city event.&#160; You can contact him and let him...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NEWS &amp; OPINION ROUNDUP (2 JULY 2008) THE &quot;BLACK NATIONAL ANTHEM&quot; EDITION&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Denver&#8217;s City Council president is getting hammered with hate-filled messages in response to Tuesday&#8217;s surprise performance of the &quot;Black National Anthem&quot; by a jazz singer during a city event.&#160; You can contact him and let him&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134685','Democrat=Socialist'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134685','Democrat=Socialist','&lt;strong&gt;NEWS &amp;amp; OPINION ROUNDUP (2 JULY 2008) THE &amp;quot;BLACK NATIONAL ANTHEM&amp;quot; EDITION...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nDenver&amp;#8217;s City Council president is getting hammered with hate-filled messages in response to Tuesday&amp;#8217;s surprise performance of the &amp;quot;Black National Anthem&amp;quot; by a jazz singer during a city event.&amp;#160; You can contact him and let him...'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy :: To Vote, Or Not To Vote</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134683</link>
		<dc:creator>Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy :: To Vote, Or Not To Vote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is something to be said about not voting in enough numbers, to actually withhold the appearance of legitimacy from an otherwise democratic [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134683&#039;,&#039;Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy :: To Vote, Or Not To Vote&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134683&#039;,&#039;Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy :: To Vote, Or Not To Vote&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; is something to be said about not voting in enough numbers, to actually withhold the appearance of legitimacy from an otherwise democratic &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is something to be said about not voting in enough numbers, to actually withhold the appearance of legitimacy from an otherwise democratic [...]
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134680</link>
		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Harry Reid followed by Dennis Miller on Harry Reid...&lt;/strong&gt;

Ok, this guy is at best and out of touch divisive idiot who has completely lost touch with reality, commonsense and truth.&#160; He is clueless, dim and laughable. 
 
Why Nevada keeps electing him is a bona fide mystery. 
 
Here he is bloviating ho...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134680&#039;,&#039;Leaning Straight Up&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134680&#039;,&#039;Leaning Straight Up&#039;,&#039;&lt;strong&gt;Harry Reid followed by Dennis Miller on Harry Reid...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nOk, this guy is at best and out of touch divisive idiot who has completely lost touch with reality, commonsense and truth.&nbsp; He is clueless, dim and laughable. \r\n \r\nWhy Nevada keeps electing him is a bona fide mystery. \r\n \r\nHere he is bloviating ho...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Harry Reid followed by Dennis Miller on Harry Reid&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Ok, this guy is at best and out of touch divisive idiot who has completely lost touch with reality, commonsense and truth.&nbsp; He is clueless, dim and laughable. </p>
<p>Why Nevada keeps electing him is a bona fide mystery. </p>
<p>Here he is bloviating ho&#8230;
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		<title>By: The Virtuous Republic</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134678</link>
		<dc:creator>The Virtuous Republic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Harry Reid Says Coal and Oil Makes Us Sick...&lt;/strong&gt;

Here you have it, the far American left is finally letting its true agenda show.Â  And in this case, we see that Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader from Nevada, has drunk the liberal, kook, environmental kool-aid on oil.
The American left doesn&#8217;t ...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134678&#039;,&#039;The Virtuous Republic&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134678&#039;,&#039;The Virtuous Republic&#039;,&#039;&lt;strong&gt;Harry Reid Says Coal and Oil Makes Us Sick...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nHere you have it, the far American left is finally letting its true agenda show.&#194;&#160; And in this case, we see that Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader from Nevada, has drunk the liberal, kook, environmental kool-aid on oil.\nThe American left doesn&#8217;t ...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Harry Reid Says Coal and Oil Makes Us Sick&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Here you have it, the far American left is finally letting its true agenda show.Â  And in this case, we see that Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader from Nevada, has drunk the liberal, kook, environmental kool-aid on oil.<br />
The American left doesn&#8217;t &#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134678','The Virtuous Republic'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134678','The Virtuous Republic','&lt;strong&gt;Harry Reid Says Coal and Oil Makes Us Sick...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nHere you have it, the far American left is finally letting its true agenda show.&Acirc;&nbsp; And in this case, we see that Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader from Nevada, has drunk the liberal, kook, environmental kool-aid on oil.\nThe American left doesn&amp;#8217;t ...'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Democrat=Socialist</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134676</link>
		<dc:creator>Democrat=Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;NEWS &amp; OPINION ROUNDUP (1 JULY 2008) THE JOE HORN EDITION...&lt;/strong&gt;

Score one for the good guys!&#160; Joe Horn, the Texas man made famous via a 911 call as his neighbors house was being robbed has been cleared of any criminal charges.&#160; BLAM!&#8230;&#160; I&#8217;ll bet there hasn&#8217;t been a robbery in that ne...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134676&#039;,&#039;Democrat=Socialist&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134676&#039;,&#039;Democrat=Socialist&#039;,&#039;&lt;strong&gt;NEWS &amp; OPINION ROUNDUP (1 JULY 2008) THE JOE HORN EDITION...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nScore one for the good guys!&#160; Joe Horn, the Texas man made famous via a 911 call as his neighbors house was being robbed has been cleared of any criminal charges.&#160; BLAM!&#8230;&#160; I&#8217;ll bet there hasn&#8217;t been a robbery in that ne...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>NEWS &amp; OPINION ROUNDUP (1 JULY 2008) THE JOE HORN EDITION&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Score one for the good guys!&#160; Joe Horn, the Texas man made famous via a 911 call as his neighbors house was being robbed has been cleared of any criminal charges.&#160; BLAM!&#8230;&#160; I&#8217;ll bet there hasn&#8217;t been a robbery in that ne&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134676','Democrat=Socialist'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134676','Democrat=Socialist','&lt;strong&gt;NEWS &amp;amp; OPINION ROUNDUP (1 JULY 2008) THE JOE HORN EDITION...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nScore one for the good guys!&amp;#160; Joe Horn, the Texas man made famous via a 911 call as his neighbors house was being robbed has been cleared of any criminal charges.&amp;#160; BLAM!&amp;#8230;&amp;#160; I&amp;#8217;ll bet there hasn&amp;#8217;t been a robbery in that ne...'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134675</link>
		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Are blogs the criticize Obama being shut down deliberately?  Yes....&lt;/strong&gt;

Yes indeed, it is clearly happening, that&#160;fact is not being disputed.&#160; The only real question is &quot;by who&quot;.&#160; This, by the way I regard as a serious issue.&#160; I left Blogger 3 years ago to give my blog more creative control and securi...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134675&#039;,&#039;Leaning Straight Up&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134675&#039;,&#039;Leaning Straight Up&#039;,&#039;&lt;strong&gt;Are blogs the criticize Obama being shut down deliberately?  Yes....&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nYes indeed, it is clearly happening, that&nbsp;fact is not being disputed.&nbsp; The only real question is \&quot;by who\&quot;.&nbsp; This, by the way I regard as a serious issue.&nbsp; I left Blogger 3 years ago to give my blog more creative control and securi...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Are blogs the criticize Obama being shut down deliberately?  Yes&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>Yes indeed, it is clearly happening, that&nbsp;fact is not being disputed.&nbsp; The only real question is &#8220;by who&#8221;.&nbsp; This, by the way I regard as a serious issue.&nbsp; I left Blogger 3 years ago to give my blog more creative control and securi&#8230;
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		<title>By: Leaning Straight Up</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134674</link>
		<dc:creator>Leaning Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Is Obama our most well known illegal alien?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Yes I know I have gone a few weeks.&#160; I&#039;ve been sick.&#160; Sue me. 
 
Topping today&#039;s blogs:&#160; Is Obama even&#160;a US citizen? Are we coming close to electing the Illegal Alien in Chief? 
 
It sounds like a joke, and initially I dismiss...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134674&#039;,&#039;Leaning Straight Up&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134674&#039;,&#039;Leaning Straight Up&#039;,&#039;&lt;strong&gt;Is Obama our most well known illegal alien?...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nYes I know I have gone a few weeks.&nbsp; I\&#039;ve been sick.&nbsp; Sue me. \r\n \r\nTopping today\&#039;s blogs:&nbsp; Is Obama even&nbsp;a US citizen? Are we coming close to electing the Illegal Alien in Chief? \r\n \r\nIt sounds like a joke, and initially I dismiss...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Is Obama our most well known illegal alien?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Yes I know I have gone a few weeks.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve been sick.&nbsp; Sue me. </p>
<p>Topping today&#8217;s blogs:&nbsp; Is Obama even&nbsp;a US citizen? Are we coming close to electing the Illegal Alien in Chief? </p>
<p>It sounds like a joke, and initially I dismiss&#8230;
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		<title>By: Conservative Cat</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/06/29/maybe-they-just-came-to-their-senses/comment-page-1/#comment-134673</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Crazy Obama Rumors Need to be Stopped...&lt;/strong&gt;

Today on the Laura Ingraham radio show (I&#039;ve missed saying that), she discussed this article in the Washington Post. The article discusses false rumors about Barack Obama and features interviews with people who believe them. I have always had a......&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;134673&#039;,&#039;Conservative Cat&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;134673&#039;,&#039;Conservative Cat&#039;,&#039;&lt;strong&gt;Crazy Obama Rumors Need to be Stopped...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nToday on the Laura Ingraham radio show (I\&#039;ve missed saying that), she discussed this article in the Washington Post. The article discusses false rumors about Barack Obama and features interviews with people who believe them. I have always had a......&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Crazy Obama Rumors Need to be Stopped&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Today on the Laura Ingraham radio show (I&#8217;ve missed saying that), she discussed this article in the Washington Post. The article discusses false rumors about Barack Obama and features interviews with people who believe them. I have always had a&#8230;&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134673','Conservative Cat'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134673','Conservative Cat','&lt;strong&gt;Crazy Obama Rumors Need to be Stopped...&lt;\/strong&gt;\n\nToday on the Laura Ingraham radio show (I\'ve missed saying that), she discussed this article in the Washington Post. The article discusses false rumors about Barack Obama and features interviews with people who believe them. I have always had a......'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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