Comments on: Unborn Victims of Crime Act http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/ Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:47:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/#comment-133734 balbulican Sun, 11 May 2008 11:28:37 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4520#comment-133734 Ah, the Nastyboy manoeuver. If you can't rebut the point, toss in an irrelevance you can. Then while people are blinking, confused, steal the best china and run away cackling.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133734','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133734','balbulican','Ah, the Nastyboy manoeuver. If you can\'t rebut the point, toss in an irrelevance you can. Then while people are blinking, confused, steal the best china and run away cackling.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Ah, the Nastyboy manoeuver. If you can’t rebut the point, toss in an irrelevance you can. Then while people are blinking, confused, steal the best china and run away cackling.
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]]> By: nastyboy http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/#comment-133733 nastyboy Sun, 11 May 2008 07:06:30 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4520#comment-133733 Next thing you know those uppity Christians are going to want to vote.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133733','nastyboy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133733','nastyboy','Next thing you know those uppity Christians are going to want to vote.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Next thing you know those uppity Christians are going to want to vote.
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]]> By: Candace http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/#comment-133731 Candace Sun, 11 May 2008 03:49:20 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4520#comment-133731 I'm pro-choice (although I wouldn't mind some limitations and I'm not keen about abortion being covered by healthcare unless there is a financial need), but I don't necessarily agree that this bill is the first step on the slippery slope to making abortions illegal. I agree, however, that pulling Catholic kids out of school to march is inappropriate, at best. For the record, should my daughter come home pregnant one day, I've discussed the concept that there are two "A-words" regarding an unplanned child, and I will support her choice between the two of them. I won't, however, raise her child for her.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133731','Candace'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133731','Candace','I\'m pro-choice (although I wouldn\'t mind some limitations and I\'m not keen about abortion being covered by healthcare unless there is a financial need), but I don\'t necessarily agree that this bill is the first step on the slippery slope to making abortions illegal.\r\n\r\nI agree, however, that pulling Catholic kids out of school to march is inappropriate, at best.\r\n\r\nFor the record, should my daughter come home pregnant one day, I\'ve discussed the concept that there are two \"A-words\" regarding an unplanned child, and I will support her choice between the two of them. I won\'t, however, raise her child for her.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’m pro-choice (although I wouldn’t mind some limitations and I’m not keen about abortion being covered by healthcare unless there is a financial need), but I don’t necessarily agree that this bill is the first step on the slippery slope to making abortions illegal.

I agree, however, that pulling Catholic kids out of school to march is inappropriate, at best.

For the record, should my daughter come home pregnant one day, I’ve discussed the concept that there are two “A-words” regarding an unplanned child, and I will support her choice between the two of them. I won’t, however, raise her child for her.

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]]> By: Pretty Shaved Ape http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/#comment-133728 Pretty Shaved Ape Sun, 11 May 2008 01:16:35 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4520#comment-133728 The local right to repress rights march went by me as i rode the bus to work this morning. There were maybe twenty people toddling down the street with a few balloons and a few placards. They were about 80% men, most in their middle years and older and a few women and kids. They looked pretty dejected as the day passed them by and ignored them. As the bus sat at the lights, they tried to raise support from the passengers and were quite roundly ignored with the exception of two women. One in her 20s on the way to the university, sporting dreads and the other I'd estimate mid-30s dressed for the office. They were both sat by the windows closest to the sidewalk. When the placards were waved in front of the windows they reacted in unison, sat back away from the windows for a second and then simultaneously shot the marchers the bird. There was a lot of laughter in the bus as we pulled away from the stop. As for the march of the catholic children, it seems to me that it is highly inappropriate to be dragging them out of class to march for a political cause. That strikes me as stomping all over the separation of church and state. Not only that but since the separate school board is taking public funds, they really shouldn't be marching kids in the streets for political advocacy. Of course my experience of the catholic system is one of abuse and corruption and I thank dog my folks pulled me out before the sinister cult did any lasting harm.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133728','Pretty Shaved Ape'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133728','Pretty Shaved Ape','The local right to repress rights march went by me as i rode the bus to work this morning. There were maybe twenty people toddling down the street with a few balloons and a few placards. They were about 80% men, most in their middle years and older and a few women and kids. They looked pretty dejected as the day passed them by and ignored them. As the bus sat at the lights, they tried to raise support from the passengers and were quite roundly ignored with the exception of two women. One in her 20s on the way to the university, sporting dreads and the other I\'d estimate mid-30s dressed for the office. They were both sat by the windows closest to the sidewalk. When the placards were waved in front of the windows they reacted in unison, sat back away from the windows for a second and then simultaneously shot the marchers the bird. There was a lot of laughter in the bus as we pulled away from the stop.\r\n\r\nAs for the march of the catholic children, it seems to me that it is highly inappropriate to be dragging them out of class to march for a political cause. That strikes me as stomping all over the separation of church and state. Not only that but since the separate school board is taking public funds, they really shouldn\'t be marching kids in the streets for political advocacy. Of course my experience of the catholic system is one of abuse and corruption and I thank dog my folks pulled me out before the sinister cult did any lasting harm.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The local right to repress rights march went by me as i rode the bus to work this morning. There were maybe twenty people toddling down the street with a few balloons and a few placards. They were about 80% men, most in their middle years and older and a few women and kids. They looked pretty dejected as the day passed them by and ignored them. As the bus sat at the lights, they tried to raise support from the passengers and were quite roundly ignored with the exception of two women. One in her 20s on the way to the university, sporting dreads and the other I’d estimate mid-30s dressed for the office. They were both sat by the windows closest to the sidewalk. When the placards were waved in front of the windows they reacted in unison, sat back away from the windows for a second and then simultaneously shot the marchers the bird. There was a lot of laughter in the bus as we pulled away from the stop.

As for the march of the catholic children, it seems to me that it is highly inappropriate to be dragging them out of class to march for a political cause. That strikes me as stomping all over the separation of church and state. Not only that but since the separate school board is taking public funds, they really shouldn’t be marching kids in the streets for political advocacy. Of course my experience of the catholic system is one of abuse and corruption and I thank dog my folks pulled me out before the sinister cult did any lasting harm.

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]]> By: KevinG http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/#comment-133723 KevinG Sat, 10 May 2008 16:39:56 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4520#comment-133723 I generally agree with your position but that's because I don't think a fetus is a person. If I did, then I'd have to conclude that the state has a very legitimate role in protecting that person.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133723','KevinG'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133723','KevinG','I generally agree with your position but that\'s because I don\'t think a fetus is a person. If I did, then I\'d have to conclude that the state has a very legitimate role in protecting that person.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I generally agree with your position but that’s because I don’t think a fetus is a person. If I did, then I’d have to conclude that the state has a very legitimate role in protecting that person.
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]]> By: Chimera http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/#comment-133717 Chimera Fri, 09 May 2008 22:48:56 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4520#comment-133717 The younger the demonstrators, and the more restrictive the "cause" for which they are demonstrating, the less trust I have for their critical thinking capabilities. Especially when it comes to children still in school -- this may very well be just an outing for them, a chance to do something different for awhile. They might not really know or care about the stated purpose of the demonstration. They can get our of class for the day, and that's the only reason most of them are there. When I was in school, I signed up for every event our sports teams went to, and travelled with them on the bus. I didn't like sports at all. I just wanted an excuse to get out of school, and the ride was free.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133717','Chimera'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133717','Chimera','The younger the demonstrators, and the more restrictive the \"cause\" for which they are demonstrating, the less trust I have for their critical thinking capabilities. \r\n\r\nEspecially when it comes to children still in school -- this may very well be just an outing for them, a chance to do something different for awhile. They might not really know or care about the stated purpose of the demonstration. They can get our of class for the day, and that\'s the only reason most of them are there.\r\n\r\nWhen I was in school, I signed up for every event our sports teams went to, and travelled with them on the bus. I didn\'t like sports at all. I just wanted an excuse to get out of school, and the ride was free.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The younger the demonstrators, and the more restrictive the “cause” for which they are demonstrating, the less trust I have for their critical thinking capabilities.

Especially when it comes to children still in school — this may very well be just an outing for them, a chance to do something different for awhile. They might not really know or care about the stated purpose of the demonstration. They can get our of class for the day, and that’s the only reason most of them are there.

When I was in school, I signed up for every event our sports teams went to, and travelled with them on the bus. I didn’t like sports at all. I just wanted an excuse to get out of school, and the ride was free.

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]]> By: JJ http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/#comment-133712 JJ Fri, 09 May 2008 17:22:05 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4520#comment-133712 Absolutely right, stageleft, and well said. I encourage even those I disagree with to exercise their right to peaceful demonstration, but the bottom line is reproductive decisions are nobody's business, least of all the state's. And that's where it ends.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133712','JJ'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133712','JJ','Absolutely right, stageleft, and well said. \r\n\r\nI encourage even those I disagree with to exercise their right to peaceful demonstration, but the bottom line is reproductive decisions are nobody\'s business, least of all the state\'s. And that\'s where it ends.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Absolutely right, stageleft, and well said.

I encourage even those I disagree with to exercise their right to peaceful demonstration, but the bottom line is reproductive decisions are nobody’s business, least of all the state’s. And that’s where it ends.

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]]> By: Mike http://www.stageleft.info/2008/05/09/unborn-victims-of-crime-act/#comment-133711 Mike Fri, 09 May 2008 17:18:24 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4520#comment-133711 Damn straight. And yes SL, they let the kiddies from the Catholic board out for this every year. From all over. And still, they manage only 7000. That girl photographd on todays Metro News opposite the demonstrators had it absolutely right on her t-shirt: "Think Abortion is wrong? Then don't have one" I shudder when I hear of uniformed young people marching and chanting slogans in unison.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133711','Mike'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133711','Mike','Damn straight.\r\n\r\nAnd yes SL, they let the kiddies from the Catholic board out for this every year. From all over. And still, they manage only 7000.\r\n\r\nThat girl photographd on todays Metro News opposite the demonstrators had it absolutely right on her t-shirt:\r\n\r\n\"Think Abortion is wrong? Then don\'t have one\"\r\n\r\nI shudder when I hear of uniformed young people marching and chanting slogans in unison.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Damn straight.

And yes SL, they let the kiddies from the Catholic board out for this every year. From all over. And still, they manage only 7000.

That girl photographd on todays Metro News opposite the demonstrators had it absolutely right on her t-shirt:

“Think Abortion is wrong? Then don’t have one”

I shudder when I hear of uniformed young people marching and chanting slogans in unison.

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