Comments on: About That Gun Control Thing http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/ Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:50:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: lrC http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133640 lrC Tue, 06 May 2008 03:11:10 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133640 Toward the "individualist" end of the individualism-collectivism axis, and the "rationalist" end of the rational-irrational axis. See: http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133640','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133640','lrC','Toward the \"individualist\" end of the individualism-collectivism axis, and the \"rationalist\" end of the rational-irrational axis. See: http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Toward the “individualist” end of the individualism-collectivism axis, and the “rationalist” end of the rational-irrational axis. See: http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm
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]]> By: Canuckguy http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133612 Canuckguy Sun, 04 May 2008 19:56:46 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133612 A leftist supporting gun control A rightist against tax breaks for big oil. Gawd, pigs will fly!!!<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133612','Canuckguy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133612','Canuckguy','A leftist supporting gun control\r\nA rightist against tax breaks for big oil.\r\n\r\nGawd, pigs will fly!!!'); return false;">Quote</a></div> A leftist supporting gun control
A rightist against tax breaks for big oil.

Gawd, pigs will fly!!!

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]]> By: stageleft http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133606 stageleft Sun, 04 May 2008 15:14:29 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133606 And which quadrant of the political compass would you place that "classical liberalism"?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133606','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133606','stageleft','And which quadrant of the political compass would you place that \"classical liberalism\"?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> And which quadrant of the political compass would you place that “classical liberalism”?
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]]> By: lrC http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133605 lrC Sun, 04 May 2008 15:11:41 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133605 I hypothesize the "blur" is because more socially liberally people are becoming fiscally liberal, and vice versa. If more people are finding common ground in the classical liberal region of the political map, so much the better.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133605','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133605','lrC','I hypothesize the \"blur\" is because more socially liberally people are becoming fiscally liberal, and vice versa. If more people are finding common ground in the classical liberal region of the political map, so much the better.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I hypothesize the “blur” is because more socially liberally people are becoming fiscally liberal, and vice versa. If more people are finding common ground in the classical liberal region of the political map, so much the better.
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]]> By: stageleft http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133574 stageleft Sat, 03 May 2008 00:45:17 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133574 "Left" and "Right" as political descriptors are becoming more irrelevant each time they are used. It is not "the left" that favours gun control, it is the authoritarian-left who, like all authoritarians, are control freaks. When discussing a completely separate discussion this this afternoon regarding individual rights I was told that my "<i>inner-rightie</i>" was being let loose more and more these days - in my opinion people simply do not know what the words mean anymore and only use them as arguments when they run out of talking points.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133574','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133574','stageleft','\"Left\" and \"Right\" as political descriptors are becoming more irrelevant each time they are used. It is not \"the left\" that favours gun control, it is the authoritarian-left who, like all authoritarians, are control freaks.\r\n\r\nWhen discussing a completely separate discussion this this afternoon regarding individual rights I was told that my \"<i>inner-rightie</i>\" was being let loose more and more these days - in my opinion people simply do not know what the words mean anymore and only use them as arguments when they run out of talking points.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> “Left” and “Right” as political descriptors are becoming more irrelevant each time they are used. It is not “the left” that favours gun control, it is the authoritarian-left who, like all authoritarians, are control freaks.

When discussing a completely separate discussion this this afternoon regarding individual rights I was told that my “inner-rightie” was being let loose more and more these days - in my opinion people simply do not know what the words mean anymore and only use them as arguments when they run out of talking points.

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]]> By: doug newton http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133573 doug newton Fri, 02 May 2008 23:25:29 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133573 Stageleft I agree with your position on gun control and it particularly p#$ses me off when folks like David Miller call for a ban on handguns as a solution to gang bangers blowing each other and sundry bystanders away here in the big smoke. As for the lefty righty thing, people tell me I am right wing. When I tell them I'm in favour of say increasing minimum wages to something half decent or legalizing drugs they think I must be kidding them.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133573','doug newton'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133573','doug newton','Stageleft \r\n\r\nI agree with your position on gun control and it particularly p#$ses me off when folks like David Miller call for a ban on handguns as a solution to gang bangers blowing each other and sundry bystanders away here in the big smoke.\r\nAs for the lefty righty thing, people tell me I am right wing. \r\nWhen I tell them I\'m in favour of say increasing minimum wages to something half decent or legalizing drugs they think I must be kidding them.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Stageleft

I agree with your position on gun control and it particularly p#$ses me off when folks like David Miller call for a ban on handguns as a solution to gang bangers blowing each other and sundry bystanders away here in the big smoke.
As for the lefty righty thing, people tell me I am right wing.
When I tell them I’m in favour of say increasing minimum wages to something half decent or legalizing drugs they think I must be kidding them.

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]]> By: Canuckguy http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133572 Canuckguy Fri, 02 May 2008 22:46:04 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133572 Just being facetious Balbul as you may have gathered. I like to think I hold an sensible mixture of several political persusions. I take my stands based on facts and common sense regardless of what the Left, Right oe Center think. Each has their stereotypes with their sterotypical stances and axes to grind. Sometimes I am dead wrong. IE: When a political aid to the Liberal Prime Minister of the day, a short time before the invasion of Iraq referred to Bush as a moron, I said off with her rude head. Man, she was so right.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133572','Canuckguy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133572','Canuckguy','Just being facetious Balbul as you may have gathered.\r\nI like to think I hold an sensible mixture of several political persusions. I take my stands based on facts and common sense regardless of what the Left, Right oe Center think. Each has their stereotypes with their sterotypical stances and axes to grind.\r\n\r\nSometimes I am dead wrong. IE: When a political aid to the Liberal Prime Minister of the day, a short time before the invasion of Iraq referred to Bush as a moron, I said off with her rude head. Man, she was so right.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Just being facetious Balbul as you may have gathered.
I like to think I hold an sensible mixture of several political persusions. I take my stands based on facts and common sense regardless of what the Left, Right oe Center think. Each has their stereotypes with their sterotypical stances and axes to grind.

Sometimes I am dead wrong. IE: When a political aid to the Liberal Prime Minister of the day, a short time before the invasion of Iraq referred to Bush as a moron, I said off with her rude head. Man, she was so right.

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]]> By: throbbin http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133570 throbbin Fri, 02 May 2008 15:20:08 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133570 It's like Chris Rock said - we don't need gun control, we need bullet control! Make bullets cost $5,000, and you would see alot less gun crime. I'm not sure how I feel about gun control. I have swayed back and forth between pro and anti. I'm on the fence here.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133570','throbbin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133570','throbbin','It\'s like Chris Rock said - we don\'t need gun control, we need bullet control! Make bullets cost $5,000, and you would see alot less gun crime.\r\n\r\nI\'m not sure how I feel about gun control. I have swayed back and forth between pro and anti. I\'m on the fence here.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It’s like Chris Rock said - we don’t need gun control, we need bullet control! Make bullets cost $5,000, and you would see alot less gun crime.

I’m not sure how I feel about gun control. I have swayed back and forth between pro and anti. I’m on the fence here.

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]]> By: nastyboy http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133567 nastyboy Fri, 02 May 2008 04:33:28 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133567 <b>Canuckguy</b> <i>What’s next? A rightist against tax breaks for oil companies?</i> That would be me. And I'm a proud tool of big oil. <i>IrC</i> <i>The point of gun control is to assuage fear on the part of people who can’t come to terms with others owning and carrying firearms. </i> It also allows liberal politicians to appear as if they're doing something without accomplishing anything. The corner stone of all political policy. It's more important to look good then to actually be good.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133567','nastyboy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133567','nastyboy','<b>Canuckguy</b>\r\n<i>What’s next? A rightist against tax breaks for oil companies?</i>\r\n\r\nThat would be me. And I\'m a proud tool of big oil.\r\n\r\n<i>IrC</i>\r\n<i>The point of gun control is to assuage fear on the part of people who can’t come to terms with others owning and carrying firearms. </i>\r\n\r\nIt also allows liberal politicians to appear as if they\'re doing something without accomplishing anything. The corner stone of all political policy. It\'s more important to look good then to actually be good.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Canuckguy
What’s next? A rightist against tax breaks for oil companies?

That would be me. And I’m a proud tool of big oil.

IrC
The point of gun control is to assuage fear on the part of people who can’t come to terms with others owning and carrying firearms.

It also allows liberal politicians to appear as if they’re doing something without accomplishing anything. The corner stone of all political policy. It’s more important to look good then to actually be good.

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]]> By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133564 balbulican Fri, 02 May 2008 02:31:48 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133564 'What? A leftist against gun control?" Make that two "leftists" against gun control. Now, a smart person would conclude that his definition of "leftist", and his attribution of a single slate of views to the aforementioned, was flawed. But you HAVE been hanging out at Scenty's for awhile.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133564','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133564','balbulican','\'What? A leftist against gun control?\"\r\n\r\nMake that two \"leftists\" against gun control.\r\n\r\nNow, a smart person would conclude that his definition of \"leftist\", and his attribution of a single slate of views to the aforementioned, was flawed. But you HAVE been hanging out at Scenty\'s for awhile.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> ‘What? A leftist against gun control?”

Make that two “leftists” against gun control.

Now, a smart person would conclude that his definition of “leftist”, and his attribution of a single slate of views to the aforementioned, was flawed. But you HAVE been hanging out at Scenty’s for awhile.

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]]> By: lrC http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133562 lrC Fri, 02 May 2008 00:37:51 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133562 The point of gun control is to assuage fear on the part of people who can't come to terms with others owning and carrying firearms. We have a few decades worth of a "couple of data points" showing that whether people (other than habitual criminals) carry does nothing to significantly increase violent crime and suggesting that to the extent there is an effect on violent crime, it is tp decrease rates. People restrain themselves more in an armed environment than an unarmed one.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133562','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133562','lrC','The point of gun control is to assuage fear on the part of people who can\'t come to terms with others owning and carrying firearms. We have a few decades worth of a \"couple of data points\" showing that whether people (other than habitual criminals) carry does nothing to significantly increase violent crime and suggesting that to the extent there is an effect on violent crime, it is tp decrease rates. People restrain themselves more in an armed environment than an unarmed one.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The point of gun control is to assuage fear on the part of people who can’t come to terms with others owning and carrying firearms. We have a few decades worth of a “couple of data points” showing that whether people (other than habitual criminals) carry does nothing to significantly increase violent crime and suggesting that to the extent there is an effect on violent crime, it is tp decrease rates. People restrain themselves more in an armed environment than an unarmed one.
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]]> By: stageleft http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133561 stageleft Thu, 01 May 2008 23:48:08 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133561 Not too far off at all Tim. I realize that in the progressive side of the blogosphere it's not a popular opinion but I make no secret of the fact that I do not believe that gun control stops people from killing people, it doesn't even stop people from killing people with guns - the story I linked, IMO, shows that. I suppose there are those who would speculate on what the numbers would be were there less gun control and more access to firearms, but then I would end up speculating that the stabbing and beating deaths would probably decrease and in the end the number of deaths might be just about the same. Heck, I might even end up speculating that some of the people who were killed by guns, stabbing, or beatings, might not even have died at all.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133561','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133561','stageleft','Not too far off at all Tim.\r\n\r\nI realize that in the progressive side of the blogosphere it\'s not a popular opinion but I make no secret of the fact that I do not believe that gun control stops people from killing people, it doesn\'t even stop people from killing people with guns - the story I linked, IMO, shows that. \r\n\r\nI suppose there are those who would speculate on what the numbers would be were there less gun control and more access to firearms, but then I would end up speculating that the stabbing and beating deaths would probably decrease and in the end the number of deaths might be just about the same.\r\n\r\nHeck, I might even end up speculating that some of the people who were killed by guns, stabbing, or beatings, might not even have died at all.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Not too far off at all Tim.

I realize that in the progressive side of the blogosphere it’s not a popular opinion but I make no secret of the fact that I do not believe that gun control stops people from killing people, it doesn’t even stop people from killing people with guns - the story I linked, IMO, shows that.

I suppose there are those who would speculate on what the numbers would be were there less gun control and more access to firearms, but then I would end up speculating that the stabbing and beating deaths would probably decrease and in the end the number of deaths might be just about the same.

Heck, I might even end up speculating that some of the people who were killed by guns, stabbing, or beatings, might not even have died at all.

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]]> By: Canuckguy http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133560 Canuckguy Thu, 01 May 2008 22:52:29 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133560 What? A leftist against gun control? What's next? A rightist against tax breaks for oil companies?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133560','Canuckguy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133560','Canuckguy','What? A leftist against gun control?\r\nWhat\'s next? A rightist against tax breaks for oil companies?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> What? A leftist against gun control?
What’s next? A rightist against tax breaks for oil companies?
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]]> By: Tim http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133559 Tim Thu, 01 May 2008 21:25:51 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133559 I'm kind of on Kevin's side here, SL. I could almost write a "shorter Stageleft: when guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns." What am I missing?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133559','Tim'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133559','Tim','I\'m kind of on Kevin\'s side here, SL. I could almost write a \"shorter Stageleft: when guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns.\"\r\n\r\nWhat am I missing?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’m kind of on Kevin’s side here, SL. I could almost write a “shorter Stageleft: when guns are criminalized, only criminals will have guns.”

What am I missing?

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]]> By: Kevin http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/30/about-that-gun-control-thing/#comment-133557 Kevin Thu, 01 May 2008 20:10:36 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/?p=4500#comment-133557 I'm not sure what you're trying to conclude, if anything. It's kind of McMillan-esque: a couple of interesting data points put together in close proximity and vague enough so we can draw our own conclusions? :) There's always a few of us out here that need to be drawn a picture.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133557','Kevin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133557','Kevin','I\'m not sure what you\'re trying to conclude, if anything. It\'s kind of McMillan-esque: a couple of interesting data points put together in close proximity and vague enough so we can draw our own conclusions? :)\r\n\r\nThere\'s always a few of us out here that need to be drawn a picture.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’m not sure what you’re trying to conclude, if anything. It’s kind of McMillan-esque: a couple of interesting data points put together in close proximity and vague enough so we can draw our own conclusions? :)

There’s always a few of us out here that need to be drawn a picture.

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