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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/29/disband-them/#comment-133506</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My disgust for the system aside, this confuses me from a strategic point of view  throbbin. 

Harper has taken a minority government and, by exploiting weaknesses in the Opposition, managed to turn it into a functional majority and gained complete control over a Liberal dominated Senate in the process - his strategy for getting what he wants done done, and making the Liberals look foolish in the process has, so far been spot on.... so why the deviation now?

Is this the big force the election regardless of what the Liberals want bid?&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133506','stageleft'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133506','stageleft','My disgust for the system aside, this confuses me from a strategic point of view  throbbin. \r\n\r\nHarper has taken a minority government and, by exploiting weaknesses in the Opposition, managed to turn it into a functional majority and gained complete control over a Liberal dominated Senate in the process - his strategy for getting what he wants done done, and making the Liberals look foolish in the process has, so far been spot on.... so why the deviation now?\r\n\r\nIs this the big force the election regardless of what the Liberals want bid?'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My disgust for the system aside, this confuses me from a strategic point of view  throbbin. </p>
<p>Harper has taken a minority government and, by exploiting weaknesses in the Opposition, managed to turn it into a functional majority and gained complete control over a Liberal dominated Senate in the process - his strategy for getting what he wants done done, and making the Liberals look foolish in the process has, so far been spot on&#8230;. so why the deviation now?</p>
<p>Is this the big force the election regardless of what the Liberals want bid?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133506','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133506','stageleft','My disgust for the system aside, this confuses me from a strategic point of view  throbbin. \r\n\r\nHarper has taken a minority government and, by exploiting weaknesses in the Opposition, managed to turn it into a functional majority and gained complete control over a Liberal dominated Senate in the process - his strategy for getting what he wants done done, and making the Liberals look foolish in the process has, so far been spot on.... so why the deviation now?\r\n\r\nIs this the big force the election regardless of what the Liberals want bid?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: throbbin</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/29/disband-them/#comment-133500</link>
		<dc:creator>throbbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo SL - I get a kick out of your suggestions that the CPoC should keep playing political games.  For a guy who despises the system and party politics, you've got a keen sense of political gamesmanship.

I think this will only hurt the CPoC if the election takes place sometime within the next few months.  If the election takes place next October, this will unfortunately be ancient history.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133500','throbbin'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133500','throbbin','Yo SL - I get a kick out of your suggestions that the CPoC should keep playing political games.  For a guy who despises the system and party politics, you\'ve got a keen sense of political gamesmanship.\r\n\r\nI think this will only hurt the CPoC if the election takes place sometime within the next few months.  If the election takes place next October, this will unfortunately be ancient history.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo SL - I get a kick out of your suggestions that the CPoC should keep playing political games.  For a guy who despises the system and party politics, you&#8217;ve got a keen sense of political gamesmanship.</p>
<p>I think this will only hurt the CPoC if the election takes place sometime within the next few months.  If the election takes place next October, this will unfortunately be ancient history.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133500','throbbin'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133500','throbbin','Yo SL - I get a kick out of your suggestions that the CPoC should keep playing political games.  For a guy who despises the system and party politics, you\'ve got a keen sense of political gamesmanship.\r\n\r\nI think this will only hurt the CPoC if the election takes place sometime within the next few months.  If the election takes place next October, this will unfortunately be ancient history.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/29/disband-them/#comment-133489</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harper and Co. really don't get the difference between the notion of "the government" and "the Crown".  They're caretakers, elected for a short (please God) stretch to manage the business of a nation that doesn't like them very much, but that can't see an alternative at this point. 

And that's fine. It's symptomatic of ideological control freaks that their messages are directed to their own true believers. The more they do to alienate the Crown Corporations, the federal agencies, the bureaucracy, the media, and all the other sectors they've decided are their enemies, the more true their self-fulfilling paranoia will become.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133489','balbulican'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133489','balbulican','Harper and Co. really don\'t get the difference between the notion of \&#34;the government\&#34; and \&#34;the Crown\&#34;.  They\'re caretakers, elected for a short (please God) stretch to manage the business of a nation that doesn\'t like them very much, but that can\'t see an alternative at this point. \r\n\r\nAnd that\'s fine. It\'s symptomatic of ideological control freaks that their messages are directed to their own true believers. The more they do to alienate the Crown Corporations, the federal agencies, the bureaucracy, the media, and all the other sectors they\'ve decided are their enemies, the more true their self-fulfilling paranoia will become.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harper and Co. really don&#8217;t get the difference between the notion of &#8220;the government&#8221; and &#8220;the Crown&#8221;.  They&#8217;re caretakers, elected for a short (please God) stretch to manage the business of a nation that doesn&#8217;t like them very much, but that can&#8217;t see an alternative at this point. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s fine. It&#8217;s symptomatic of ideological control freaks that their messages are directed to their own true believers. The more they do to alienate the Crown Corporations, the federal agencies, the bureaucracy, the media, and all the other sectors they&#8217;ve decided are their enemies, the more true their self-fulfilling paranoia will become.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133489','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133489','balbulican','Harper and Co. really don\'t get the difference between the notion of \&quot;the government\&quot; and \&quot;the Crown\&quot;.  They\'re caretakers, elected for a short (please God) stretch to manage the business of a nation that doesn\'t like them very much, but that can\'t see an alternative at this point. \r\n\r\nAnd that\'s fine. It\'s symptomatic of ideological control freaks that their messages are directed to their own true believers. The more they do to alienate the Crown Corporations, the federal agencies, the bureaucracy, the media, and all the other sectors they\'ve decided are their enemies, the more true their self-fulfilling paranoia will become.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/29/disband-them/#comment-133480</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to think this goes beyond silly season Candace, the ruling party has voted against an expression of confidence in a very prominent public institution. 

There's no doubt that the Bloc knew this motion put Harper and crew between a rock and a hard place given current events, but the CPoC made the wrong choice in their reaction. The better course of action would have been to vote in favour of the motion, tout their confidence in the courts and Elections Canada to ultimately sort the mess out in an acceptable manner, and then continue going through the motions in the House when asked about the search warrant and seizure of documents. 

Everyone knows they feel persecuted, everyone knows or suspects that &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; went on inside election financing, and people are (rightly IMO) questioning the whole accountability and transparency of the party based on their campaign promises, but keeping the charade going would have allowed them to wait it out until everyone went on summer vacation - after all, most reasonable people (ie. not rabidly partisan) are really more more concerned riht now about the state of our economy as it is being affected by our southern brethren's problems than they are in the scheming of politicians and parties they already basically consider dishonest, to hold on to this for too long.

Harper's personal credibility, and the credibility of the party, has been hurt by this and it will play a prominent role in the next election.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133480','stageleft'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133480','stageleft','I tend to think this goes beyond silly season Candace, the ruling party has voted against an expression of confidence in a very prominent public institution. \r\n\r\nThere\'s no doubt that the Bloc knew this motion put Harper and crew between a rock and a hard place given current events, but the CPoC made the wrong choice in their reaction. The better course of action would have been to vote in favour of the motion, tout their confidence in the courts and Elections Canada to ultimately sort the mess out in an acceptable manner, and then continue going through the motions in the House when asked about the search warrant and seizure of documents. \r\n\r\nEveryone knows they feel persecuted, everyone knows or suspects that &#60;i&#62;something&#60;/i&#62; went on inside election financing, and people are (rightly IMO) questioning the whole accountability and transparency of the party based on their campaign promises, but keeping the charade going would have allowed them to wait it out until everyone went on summer vacation - after all, most reasonable people (ie. not rabidly partisan) are really more more concerned riht now about the state of our economy as it is being affected by our southern brethren\'s problems than they are in the scheming of politicians and parties they already basically consider dishonest, to hold on to this for too long.\r\n\r\nHarper\'s personal credibility, and the credibility of the party, has been hurt by this and it will play a prominent role in the next election.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to think this goes beyond silly season Candace, the ruling party has voted against an expression of confidence in a very prominent public institution. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that the Bloc knew this motion put Harper and crew between a rock and a hard place given current events, but the CPoC made the wrong choice in their reaction. The better course of action would have been to vote in favour of the motion, tout their confidence in the courts and Elections Canada to ultimately sort the mess out in an acceptable manner, and then continue going through the motions in the House when asked about the search warrant and seizure of documents. </p>
<p>Everyone knows they feel persecuted, everyone knows or suspects that <i>something</i> went on inside election financing, and people are (rightly IMO) questioning the whole accountability and transparency of the party based on their campaign promises, but keeping the charade going would have allowed them to wait it out until everyone went on summer vacation - after all, most reasonable people (ie. not rabidly partisan) are really more more concerned riht now about the state of our economy as it is being affected by our southern brethren&#8217;s problems than they are in the scheming of politicians and parties they already basically consider dishonest, to hold on to this for too long.</p>
<p>Harper&#8217;s personal credibility, and the credibility of the party, has been hurt by this and it will play a prominent role in the next election.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133480','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133480','stageleft','I tend to think this goes beyond silly season Candace, the ruling party has voted against an expression of confidence in a very prominent public institution. \r\n\r\nThere\'s no doubt that the Bloc knew this motion put Harper and crew between a rock and a hard place given current events, but the CPoC made the wrong choice in their reaction. The better course of action would have been to vote in favour of the motion, tout their confidence in the courts and Elections Canada to ultimately sort the mess out in an acceptable manner, and then continue going through the motions in the House when asked about the search warrant and seizure of documents. \r\n\r\nEveryone knows they feel persecuted, everyone knows or suspects that &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; went on inside election financing, and people are (rightly IMO) questioning the whole accountability and transparency of the party based on their campaign promises, but keeping the charade going would have allowed them to wait it out until everyone went on summer vacation - after all, most reasonable people (ie. not rabidly partisan) are really more more concerned riht now about the state of our economy as it is being affected by our southern brethren\'s problems than they are in the scheming of politicians and parties they already basically consider dishonest, to hold on to this for too long.\r\n\r\nHarper\'s personal credibility, and the credibility of the party, has been hurt by this and it will play a prominent role in the next election.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/04/29/disband-them/#comment-133476</link>
		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I'm paying more attention to the primaries.  Silly Season has been upon the Canadian Parliament for far too long. At least the Americans have an(somewhat lame) excuse.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133476','Candace'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133476','Candace','This is why I\'m paying more attention to the primaries.  Silly Season has been upon the Canadian Parliament for far too long. At least the Americans have an(somewhat lame) excuse.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I&#8217;m paying more attention to the primaries.  Silly Season has been upon the Canadian Parliament for far too long. At least the Americans have an(somewhat lame) excuse.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133476','Candace'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133476','Candace','This is why I\'m paying more attention to the primaries.  Silly Season has been upon the Canadian Parliament for far too long. At least the Americans have an(somewhat lame) excuse.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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