Comments on: The Matrimonial Right To Assimilation http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:32:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-132295 balbulican Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:23:45 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-132295 Thanks, skdadl! There's nothing new at this point, but there will be something soon. Watch this space, and I'll send you a note when it happens.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('132295','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('132295','balbulican','Thanks, skdadl! There\'s nothing new at this point, but there will be something soon. Watch this space, and I\'ll send you a note when it happens.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thanks, skdadl! There’s nothing new at this point, but there will be something soon. Watch this space, and I’ll send you a note when it happens.
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]]> By: skdadl http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-132294 skdadl Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:42:52 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-132294 balbulican, this is the single best Canadian blogpost I have seen this year, and I'm sorry it took me so long to get here. The Trojan horse: that is definitely the Cons' methodology, as so many women have been trying to argue. Do we know where this bill is right now? Off to do more reading, but thank you for getting me started. So well set out and argued -- well done.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('132294','skdadl'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('132294','skdadl','balbulican, this is the single best Canadian blogpost I have seen this year, and I\'m sorry it took me so long to get here. The Trojan horse: that is definitely the Cons\' methodology, as so many women have been trying to argue.\r\n\r\nDo we know where this bill is right now? Off to do more reading, but thank you for getting me started. So well set out and argued -- well done.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> balbulican, this is the single best Canadian blogpost I have seen this year, and I’m sorry it took me so long to get here. The Trojan horse: that is definitely the Cons’ methodology, as so many women have been trying to argue.

Do we know where this bill is right now? Off to do more reading, but thank you for getting me started. So well set out and argued — well done.

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]]> By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131975 balbulican Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:07:07 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131975 I think we've already established that you need to do a bit of study in the area of Aboriginal/Canadian constitutional and legal relations. I guess you've been too busy. Get back to me when you've had a chance.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131975','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131975','balbulican','I think we\'ve already established that you need to do a bit of study in the area of Aboriginal\/Canadian constitutional and legal relations. I guess you\'ve been too busy. Get back to me when you\'ve had a chance.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think we’ve already established that you need to do a bit of study in the area of Aboriginal/Canadian constitutional and legal relations. I guess you’ve been too busy. Get back to me when you’ve had a chance.
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]]> By: lrC http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131974 lrC Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:57:59 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131974 I'm pleased to see at least one person come right out and draw the line. No more of that fence-sitting idealism that every born and naturalized Canadian citizen has a full slate of Canadian rights in addition to whatever other special privileges to which they might aspire?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131974','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131974','lrC','I\'m pleased to see at least one person come right out and draw the line. No more of that fence-sitting idealism that every born and naturalized Canadian citizen has a full slate of Canadian rights in addition to whatever other special privileges to which they might aspire?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’m pleased to see at least one person come right out and draw the line. No more of that fence-sitting idealism that every born and naturalized Canadian citizen has a full slate of Canadian rights in addition to whatever other special privileges to which they might aspire?
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]]> By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131868 balbulican Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:42:25 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131868 You missed the point, lrC. Accepting Canada's jurisdiction means abandoning nation-to-nation status.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131868','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131868','balbulican','You missed the point, lrC. Accepting Canada\'s jurisdiction means abandoning nation-to-nation status.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You missed the point, lrC. Accepting Canada’s jurisdiction means abandoning nation-to-nation status.
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]]> By: lrC http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131864 lrC Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:24:44 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131864 >Heck, if Canada can unilaterally determine what aspects of self-government you’re going to ignore – ALWAYS out of concern for the poor Indians, of course – just THINK of all the things you can do.

Congratulations; you’ve just joined the ranks of us minarchists, complete with recognition of the concept of the legislative Trojan Horse. Progressives are always happy to unilaterally determine to what degree they will be meddlesome in the guise of “government”, always out of concern for others, always mindful of all the good things they can do.

There’s an easy solution; just ensure all people have the civil right to receive all the protections and obligations of provincial/federal rather than reserve law if they so choose. The provs/feds won’t need to be concerned with the equivalent reserve law at all.

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]]> By: My Blahg » WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE WOMEN http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131832 My Blahg » WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE WOMEN Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:24:14 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131832 [...] of course there’s the latest chapter of this sordid tale of deceit that’s being spun as “for [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131832','My Blahg » WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE WOMEN'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131832','My Blahg » WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE WOMEN','[...] of course there’s the latest chapter of this sordid tale of deceit that’s being spun as “for [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] of course there’s the latest chapter of this sordid tale of deceit that’s being spun as “for [...]
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]]> By: MW http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131772 MW Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:37:06 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131772 No, they aren't.. or weren't last time I checked. However in practice most reserves will use Federal Govt HRC standards with respect to hiring and firing policy because most lawyers will advise the band that they are making themselves vulnerable if they don't adhere to some practical standards while making decisions in this respect and acting upon them. However, I think that getting an Indian Band to accept the ruling of a HRC tribunal would probably be a long drawn out battle... ( which is why the lawyers involved would advise not to get into the problem in the first place, as mentioned above.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131772','MW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131772','MW','No, they aren\'t.. or weren\'t last time I checked. However in practice most reserves will use Federal Govt HRC standards with respect to hiring and firing policy because most lawyers will advise the band that they are making themselves vulnerable if they don\'t adhere to some practical standards while making decisions in this respect and acting upon them.\r\n\r\nHowever, I think that getting an Indian Band to accept the ruling of a HRC tribunal would probably be a long drawn out battle... ( which is why the lawyers involved would advise not to get into the problem in the first place, as mentioned above.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> No, they aren’t.. or weren’t last time I checked. However in practice most reserves will use Federal Govt HRC standards with respect to hiring and firing policy because most lawyers will advise the band that they are making themselves vulnerable if they don’t adhere to some practical standards while making decisions in this respect and acting upon them.

However, I think that getting an Indian Band to accept the ruling of a HRC tribunal would probably be a long drawn out battle… ( which is why the lawyers involved would advise not to get into the problem in the first place, as mentioned above.

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]]> By: Arwen http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131737 Arwen Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:24:46 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131737 Oh, Christ. I would have completely missed this and probably would have thought this a good thing. I wonder if this is usurping the political narrative of the Sharia issue - Canadian Muslim feminists that I looked to for some guidance seemed to largely be against entrenching Sharia - and that's where my brain went for comparison when reading the part you excerpted -- even though there does not appear to be religious considerations in play here, it's all about law and jurisprudence, and I wasn't born yesterday. I have a legal question: are folks on reserves protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? They've got to be, yes?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131737','Arwen'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131737','Arwen','Oh, Christ. I would have completely missed this and probably would have thought this a good thing. I wonder if this is usurping the political narrative of the Sharia issue - Canadian Muslim feminists that I looked to for some guidance seemed to largely be against entrenching Sharia - and that\'s where my brain went for comparison when reading the part you excerpted -- even though there does not appear to be religious considerations in play here, it\'s all about law and jurisprudence, and I wasn\'t born yesterday. \r\n\r\nI have a legal question: are folks on reserves protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? They\'ve got to be, yes?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Oh, Christ. I would have completely missed this and probably would have thought this a good thing. I wonder if this is usurping the political narrative of the Sharia issue – Canadian Muslim feminists that I looked to for some guidance seemed to largely be against entrenching Sharia – and that’s where my brain went for comparison when reading the part you excerpted — even though there does not appear to be religious considerations in play here, it’s all about law and jurisprudence, and I wasn’t born yesterday.

I have a legal question: are folks on reserves protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? They’ve got to be, yes?

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]]> By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131728 balbulican Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:02:44 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131728 Thank, VM...I'm really glad you found the post. The whole point of the exercise was to smuggle a very, very dangerous precedent in under the radar, under the guise of progressive, pro-women legislation. And watch...the conservatives will be brandishing this as a sample of the wonderful things they've done "for the natives" - despite NWAC and AFN's repudiation.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131728','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131728','balbulican','Thank, VM...I\'m really glad you found the post. The whole point of the exercise was to smuggle a very, very dangerous precedent in under the radar, under the guise of progressive, pro-women legislation. And watch...the conservatives will be brandishing this as a sample of the wonderful things they\'ve done \"for the natives\" - despite NWAC and AFN\'s repudiation.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thank, VM…I’m really glad you found the post. The whole point of the exercise was to smuggle a very, very dangerous precedent in under the radar, under the guise of progressive, pro-women legislation. And watch…the conservatives will be brandishing this as a sample of the wonderful things they’ve done “for the natives” – despite NWAC and AFN’s repudiation.
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]]> By: valiantmauz http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131722 valiantmauz Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:20:20 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131722 Thanks for this post, balb. On the face of it, I'd have thought the legislation was a "good thing" if I hadn't stopped by.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131722','valiantmauz'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131722','valiantmauz','Thanks for this post, balb. On the face of it, I\'d have thought the legislation was a \"good thing\" if I hadn\'t stopped by.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thanks for this post, balb. On the face of it, I’d have thought the legislation was a “good thing” if I hadn’t stopped by.
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]]> By: MW http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131684 MW Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:42:20 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131684 Thanks for the heads up on this Balb, In essence this strikes me as just as dishonest as the Chretien/Nault failed FNGA suite of legislation, for many of the same reasons. The difference there was we were able to appeal to Paul Martin to defeat the legislation as it was a given at that point in time that he would be the next Prime Minister. There is nobody to appeal to in this... I can only hope that the Liberals, NDP and Bloc will say that as soon as the Harper Government is defeated that the legislation will be rolled back - but I am not holding my breath. That's the only thing that I think can be done to stop this... if the Liberals will work with the other opposition parties... I am disgusted by the liberals willingness to roll over and play possum while Harper's government engages in the wholesale destruction of rights for women and aboriginal people. And I'm pretty much a staunch pro-lifer - I just don't believe government should be in the business of regulating reproduction in any capacity. It's simply too complex and sensitive an issue for government to be involved. In any case, thanks again for bringing this to my attention. BTW -- I love the graphic. When I debated Flanagan on TalkTV back in 2001 I actually said that I thought the BORG plan was useless. Flanagan didn't know what I was talking about. He's that out of touch with mainstream pop culture. Seamus O'Regan had to explain it to him.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131684','MW'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131684','MW','Thanks for the heads up on this Balb,\r\n\r\nIn essence this strikes me as just as dishonest as the Chretien\/Nault failed FNGA suite of legislation, for many of the same reasons. The difference there was we were able to appeal to Paul Martin to defeat the legislation as it was a given at that point in time that he would be the next Prime Minister.\r\n\r\nThere is nobody to appeal to in this... I can only hope that the Liberals, NDP and Bloc will say that as soon as the Harper Government is defeated that the legislation will be rolled back - but I am not holding my breath.\r\n\r\nThat\'s the only thing that I think can be done to stop this... if the Liberals will work with the other opposition parties...\r\n\r\nI am disgusted by the liberals willingness to roll over and play possum while Harper\'s government engages in the wholesale destruction of rights for women and aboriginal people.\r\n\r\nAnd I\'m pretty much a staunch pro-lifer - I just don\'t believe government should be in the business of regulating reproduction in any capacity. It\'s simply too complex and sensitive an issue for government to be involved.\r\n\r\nIn any case, thanks again for bringing this to my attention. BTW -- I love the graphic. When I debated Flanagan on TalkTV back in 2001 I actually said that I thought the BORG plan was useless. \r\n\r\nFlanagan didn\'t know what I was talking about. He\'s that out of touch with mainstream pop culture. Seamus O\'Regan had to explain it to him.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Thanks for the heads up on this Balb,

In essence this strikes me as just as dishonest as the Chretien/Nault failed FNGA suite of legislation, for many of the same reasons. The difference there was we were able to appeal to Paul Martin to defeat the legislation as it was a given at that point in time that he would be the next Prime Minister.

There is nobody to appeal to in this… I can only hope that the Liberals, NDP and Bloc will say that as soon as the Harper Government is defeated that the legislation will be rolled back – but I am not holding my breath.

That’s the only thing that I think can be done to stop this… if the Liberals will work with the other opposition parties…

I am disgusted by the liberals willingness to roll over and play possum while Harper’s government engages in the wholesale destruction of rights for women and aboriginal people.

And I’m pretty much a staunch pro-lifer – I just don’t believe government should be in the business of regulating reproduction in any capacity. It’s simply too complex and sensitive an issue for government to be involved.

In any case, thanks again for bringing this to my attention. BTW — I love the graphic. When I debated Flanagan on TalkTV back in 2001 I actually said that I thought the BORG plan was useless.

Flanagan didn’t know what I was talking about. He’s that out of touch with mainstream pop culture. Seamus O’Regan had to explain it to him.

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]]> By: stageleft http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131682 stageleft Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:39:37 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131682 <blockquote>Is this government that clever? Probably some of them are.</blockquote> The word you're looking for is devious - not clever.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131682','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131682','stageleft','<blockquote>Is this government that clever? Probably some of them are.<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\nThe word you\'re looking for is devious - not clever.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>

Is this government that clever? Probably some of them are.

The word you’re looking for is devious – not clever.

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]]> By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131679 balbulican Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:49:17 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131679 I didn't say "genius" - I said "clever". His strength is not in his writing or his political thought (FN,ST betrays an astonishing ignorance of both Aboriginal history and the current constitutional basis of contemporary claims and treaty). I just mean he's shown real skill at selling Calgary-school ideology in tiny, palatable packages.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131679','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131679','balbulican','I didn\'t say \"genius\" - I said \"clever\". His strength is not in his writing or his political thought (FN,ST betrays an astonishing ignorance of both Aboriginal history and the current constitutional basis of contemporary claims and treaty). I just mean he\'s shown real skill at selling Calgary-school ideology in tiny, palatable packages.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I didn’t say “genius” – I said “clever”. His strength is not in his writing or his political thought (FN,ST betrays an astonishing ignorance of both Aboriginal history and the current constitutional basis of contemporary claims and treaty). I just mean he’s shown real skill at selling Calgary-school ideology in tiny, palatable packages.
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]]> By: Shmohawk http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/comment-page-1/#comment-131678 Shmohawk Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:29:58 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2008/03/06/the-matrimonial-right-to-assimilation/#comment-131678 Flanagan's no genius. Correct me if I'm wrong: During Samsom Cree court hearings on unpaid royalties in Alberta, Flanagan testified as the Crown's "expert witness" that he had never actually spent time on a reserve. This, although he wrote a book condemning them. A reporter who covered the hearings said Flanagan could not explain why some of his "facts" couldn't be referenced. It's what often happens when anyone, an academic or politician, decides on the "cure" even if the evidence doesn't support it. It's pseudo-science. It's destructive and dumb. Think of Bush, weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq. There's another aim here - and it ain't the betterment of lives in Indian country.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('131678','Shmohawk'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('131678','Shmohawk','Flanagan\'s no genius. Correct me if I\'m wrong: During Samsom Cree court hearings on unpaid royalties in Alberta, Flanagan testified as the Crown\'s \"expert witness\" that he had never actually spent time on a reserve. This, although he wrote a book condemning them. A reporter who covered the hearings said Flanagan could not explain why some of his \"facts\" couldn\'t be referenced. \r\n\r\nIt\'s what often happens when anyone, an academic or politician, decides on the \"cure\" even if the evidence doesn\'t support it. It\'s pseudo-science. It\'s destructive and dumb. Think of Bush, weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq. There\'s another aim here - and it ain\'t the betterment of lives in Indian country.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Flanagan’s no genius. Correct me if I’m wrong: During Samsom Cree court hearings on unpaid royalties in Alberta, Flanagan testified as the Crown’s “expert witness” that he had never actually spent time on a reserve. This, although he wrote a book condemning them. A reporter who covered the hearings said Flanagan could not explain why some of his “facts” couldn’t be referenced.

It’s what often happens when anyone, an academic or politician, decides on the “cure” even if the evidence doesn’t support it. It’s pseudo-science. It’s destructive and dumb. Think of Bush, weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq. There’s another aim here – and it ain’t the betterment of lives in Indian country.

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