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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/01/12/martyrdom-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-129755</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to push this Levant/Steyn issue on the Liberal agenda.  The far-right have become extreme hate-mongerers towards that community.

Not only is it a prudent political decision, but it&#039;s the right thing to do.  

Stop neo-fascism in Canada!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129755&#039;,&#039;Matt&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129755&#039;,&#039;Matt&#039;,&#039;We need to push this Levant\/Steyn issue on the Liberal agenda.  The far-right have become extreme hate-mongerers towards that community.\r\n\r\nNot only is it a prudent political decision, but it\&#039;s the right thing to do.  \r\n\r\nStop neo-fascism in Canada!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to push this Levant/Steyn issue on the Liberal agenda.  The far-right have become extreme hate-mongerers towards that community.</p>
<p>Not only is it a prudent political decision, but it&#8217;s the right thing to do.  </p>
<p>Stop neo-fascism in Canada!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129755','Matt'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129755','Matt','We need to push this Levant\/Steyn issue on the Liberal agenda.  The far-right have become extreme hate-mongerers towards that community.\r\n\r\nNot only is it a prudent political decision, but it\'s the right thing to do.  \r\n\r\nStop neo-fascism in Canada!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/01/12/martyrdom-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-129561</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. Jill, I don&#039;t think that word means what you think it means. 

I&#039;m not attacking Ezra for shrewdly exploiting hatred to make money. I&#039;m laughing at the people who think he&#039;s a martyr for doing so.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129561&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129561&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;Heh. Jill, I don\&#039;t think that word means what you think it means. \r\n\r\nI\&#039;m not attacking Ezra for shrewdly exploiting hatred to make money. I\&#039;m laughing at the people who think he\&#039;s a martyr for doing so.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. Jill, I don&#8217;t think that word means what you think it means. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not attacking Ezra for shrewdly exploiting hatred to make money. I&#8217;m laughing at the people who think he&#8217;s a martyr for doing so.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129561','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129561','balbulican','Heh. Jill, I don\'t think that word means what you think it means. \r\n\r\nI\'m not attacking Ezra for shrewdly exploiting hatred to make money. I\'m laughing at the people who think he\'s a martyr for doing so.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/01/12/martyrdom-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-129546</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezra Levant was a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher. His product was the Western Standard whatever. The primary purpose of a business is to make a profit. With me so far?

Actually this is an ad hominem attack.  Circumstantial.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129546&#039;,&#039;Jill&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129546&#039;,&#039;Jill&#039;,&#039;Ezra Levant was a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher. His product was the Western Standard whatever. The primary purpose of a business is to make a profit. With me so far?\r\n\r\nActually this is an ad hominem attack.  Circumstantial.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra Levant was a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher. His product was the Western Standard whatever. The primary purpose of a business is to make a profit. With me so far?</p>
<p>Actually this is an ad hominem attack.  Circumstantial.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129546','Jill'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129546','Jill','Ezra Levant was a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher. His product was the Western Standard whatever. The primary purpose of a business is to make a profit. With me so far?\r\n\r\nActually this is an ad hominem attack.  Circumstantial.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/01/12/martyrdom-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-129539</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So because he is a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher, his actions are all governed by a profit motive. This is of course known, in formal argumentation, as an association fallacy.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>No, in strict logical terms, it would be a &#8220;non-sequitur&#8221;. However, we&#8217;re discussing motive, not an equation. Since motive cannot be established syllogistically, it can only be deduced through observation of behaviours and outcomes.  Businessmen ARE motivated by profit. They have other motives (as a businessman, I know that). But the sine qua non of business is profit. No profit &#8211; no business. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;This is begging the question. Also improper in formal argumentation.</p></blockquote>
<p>With your permission, I&#8217;ll just skip over the Philosophy 101 games and cut to anything substantial. Don&#8217;t be offended, but it&#8217;s been a long time since I thought that was fun.</p>
<blockquote><p>4) As noted above, Ezra himself declared that he had “suffered nither physical nor financial harm” through his action.</p></blockquote>
<p>Umm&#8230;my post is about the distinction between Ezra&#8217;s posturing as martyr and the actual harm he suffered. The relevance of this point may become clearer to you upon deep reflection. </p>
<p>Then a bunch of yadda yadda, then&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Posting under a pseudonym is often motivated by a desire to conceal ones identity for purpose of avoiding scrutiny among ones peers.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>My preference for using a pseudonym is frankly none of your business. You&#8217;ve accused me of lying. I&#8217;ve indicated I take exception to that, and have undertaken to verify any assertion I&#8217;ve made about my biography that you question through a mutually acceptable third party. I don&#8217;t really care much about your opinion, so that&#8217;s where I think I&#8217;ll leave it.  If you seriously doubted some aspect of my bio, you have an opportunity to confirm it. I suspect you prefer to score a cheap rhetorical point, and I don&#8217;t much care.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129539','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129539','balbulican','&lt;blockquote&gt;So because he is a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher, his actions are all governed by a profit motive. This is of course known, in formal argumentation, as an association fallacy.\&quot;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nNo, in strict logical terms, it would be a \&quot;non-sequitur\&quot;. However, we\'re discussing motive, not an equation. Since motive cannot be established syllogistically, it can only be deduced through observation of behaviours and outcomes.  Businessmen ARE motivated by profit. They have other motives (as a businessman, I know that). But the sine qua non of business is profit. No profit - no business. \r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\'This is begging the question. Also improper in formal argumentation.&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\nWith your permission, I\'ll just skip over the Philosophy 101 games and cut to anything substantial. Don\'t be offended, but it\'s been a long time since I thought that was fun.\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;4) As noted above, Ezra himself declared that he had &acirc;suffered nither physical nor financial harm&acirc; through his action.&lt;\/blockquote&gt;Umm...my post is about the distinction between Ezra\'s posturing as martyr and the actual harm he suffered. The relevance of this point may become clearer to you upon deep reflection. \r\n\r\nThen a bunch of yadda yadda, then...\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\&quot;Posting under a pseudonym is often motivated by a desire to conceal ones identity for purpose of avoiding scrutiny among ones peers.\&quot;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nMy preference for using a pseudonym is frankly none of your business. You\'ve accused me of lying. I\'ve indicated I take exception to that, and have undertaken to verify any assertion I\'ve made about my biography that you question through a mutually acceptable third party. I don\'t really care much about your opinion, so that\'s where I think I\'ll leave it.  If you seriously doubted some aspect of my bio, you have an opportunity to confirm it. I suspect you prefer to score a cheap rhetorical point, and I don\'t much care. '); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/01/12/martyrdom-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-129468</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest you review Dr. Dawg&#039;s excellent and amusing essay on the non-martyrdom of Ezra. &lt;a href=&quot;http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the link&lt;/a&gt;. 

I understand that any mechanism limiting the expression of hatred is an annoyance and inconvenience, especially to folks who profit from it. But I personally don&#039;t have a problem with it.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129468&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129468&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;I suggest you review Dr. Dawg\&#039;s excellent and amusing essay on the non-martyrdom of Ezra. &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Here\&#039;s the link&lt;\/a&gt;. \r\n\r\nI understand that any mechanism limiting the expression of hatred is an annoyance and inconvenience, especially to folks who profit from it. But I personally don\&#039;t have a problem with it.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest you review Dr. Dawg&#8217;s excellent and amusing essay on the non-martyrdom of Ezra. <a href="http://drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the link</a>. </p>
<p>I understand that any mechanism limiting the expression of hatred is an annoyance and inconvenience, especially to folks who profit from it. But I personally don&#8217;t have a problem with it.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129468','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129468','balbulican','I suggest you review Dr. Dawg\'s excellent and amusing essay on the non-martyrdom of Ezra. &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/drdawgsblawg.blogspot.com\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Here\'s the link&lt;\/a&gt;. \r\n\r\nI understand that any mechanism limiting the expression of hatred is an annoyance and inconvenience, especially to folks who profit from it. But I personally don\'t have a problem with it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/01/12/martyrdom-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-129467</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I got investigated by the Human Rights Commission for not hiring an Iranian journalism professor to act as an Arctic Broadcasting Trainer</p>
<p>Which is what the HRCs were established to do &#8211; mediate employment and rental disputes in which discrimination was alleged.  Since the bureaucrats have shown themselves incapable of restraining themselves from abusing and overreaching their purpose, the HRCs should be disbanded.</p>
<p>&gt;The purpose of HRCs is to find solutions–including mediation and so on.</p>
<p>Which would be perfectly acceptable if respondents were free of any encumbrance to choose between:<br />
1) Yes, I will engage the HRC mediation process despite the fact it will potentially cost me money and the complainant nothing.<br />
2) No thank you; go pound sand.  If the complainant wishes he may pay to use the civil court system and take his chances; I believe my case is strong enough I&#8217;m willing to pay to fight it there.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129467','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129467','lrC','&amp;gt;I got investigated by the Human Rights Commission for not hiring an Iranian journalism professor to act as an Arctic Broadcasting Trainer\r\n\r\nWhich is what the HRCs were established to do - mediate employment and rental disputes in which discrimination was alleged.  Since the bureaucrats have shown themselves incapable of restraining themselves from abusing and overreaching their purpose, the HRCs should be disbanded.\r\n\r\n&amp;gt;The purpose of HRCs is to find solutions&acirc;including mediation and so on.\r\n\r\nWhich would be perfectly acceptable if respondents were free of any encumbrance to choose between:\r\n1) Yes, I will engage the HRC mediation process despite the fact it will potentially cost me money and the complainant nothing.\r\n2) No thank you; go pound sand.  If the complainant wishes he may pay to use the civil court system and take his chances; I believe my case is strong enough I\'m willing to pay to fight it there.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/01/12/martyrdom-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-129460</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for your second question - I agree wholeheartedly.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129460&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129460&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;And for your second question - I agree wholeheartedly.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for your second question &#8211; I agree wholeheartedly.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129460','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129460','balbulican','And for your second question - I agree wholeheartedly.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2008/01/12/martyrdom-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-129459</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d break your first question up into three bits, Raphael.

a) Should Canadians have access to a government or quasi judicial body to assist in or mediate charges relating to Human Rights? 

Yes. 

b) Was there enough evidence to warrant an initial, exploratory interview with Ezra?

Debatable. 

c) Do I think the case warrants proceeding to a tribunal?

No.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129459&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129459&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;d break your first question up into three bits, Raphael.\r\n\r\na) Should Canadians have access to a government or quasi judicial body to assist in or mediate charges relating to Human Rights? \r\n\r\nYes. \r\n\r\nb) Was there enough evidence to warrant an initial, exploratory interview with Ezra?\r\n\r\nDebatable. \r\n\r\nc) Do I think the case warrants proceeding to a tribunal?\r\n\r\nNo.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d break your first question up into three bits, Raphael.</p>
<p>a) Should Canadians have access to a government or quasi judicial body to assist in or mediate charges relating to Human Rights? </p>
<p>Yes. </p>
<p>b) Was there enough evidence to warrant an initial, exploratory interview with Ezra?</p>
<p>Debatable. </p>
<p>c) Do I think the case warrants proceeding to a tribunal?</p>
<p>No.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129459','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129459','balbulican','I\'d break your first question up into three bits, Raphael.\r\n\r\na) Should Canadians have access to a government or quasi judicial body to assist in or mediate charges relating to Human Rights? \r\n\r\nYes. \r\n\r\nb) Was there enough evidence to warrant an initial, exploratory interview with Ezra?\r\n\r\nDebatable. \r\n\r\nc) Do I think the case warrants proceeding to a tribunal?\r\n\r\nNo.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Raphael Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raphael Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the short and sweet on Ezra is:

Should he be coming under scrutiny from the AHRC for publishing the mundane Mohammed cartoons?

No.

Is the theatrics involved in Ezra&#039;s defense more worthy of one facing the gas chamber than one facing a single bureaucrat from the AHRC in a small room with poor lighting?

Yes.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129458&#039;,&#039;Raphael Alexander&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129458&#039;,&#039;Raphael Alexander&#039;,&#039;I think the short and sweet on Ezra is:\r\n\r\nShould he be coming under scrutiny from the AHRC for publishing the mundane Mohammed cartoons?\r\n\r\nNo.\r\n\r\nIs the theatrics involved in Ezra\&#039;s defense more worthy of one facing the gas chamber than one facing a single bureaucrat from the AHRC in a small room with poor lighting?\r\n\r\nYes.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the short and sweet on Ezra is:</p>
<p>Should he be coming under scrutiny from the AHRC for publishing the mundane Mohammed cartoons?</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Is the theatrics involved in Ezra&#8217;s defense more worthy of one facing the gas chamber than one facing a single bureaucrat from the AHRC in a small room with poor lighting?</p>
<p>Yes.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129458','Raphael Alexander'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129458','Raphael Alexander','I think the short and sweet on Ezra is:\r\n\r\nShould he be coming under scrutiny from the AHRC for publishing the mundane Mohammed cartoons?\r\n\r\nNo.\r\n\r\nIs the theatrics involved in Ezra\'s defense more worthy of one facing the gas chamber than one facing a single bureaucrat from the AHRC in a small room with poor lighting?\r\n\r\nYes.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: medic</title>
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		<dc:creator>medic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog needs more Voltaire and less Fry/Thobani.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129437&#039;,&#039;medic&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129437&#039;,&#039;medic&#039;,&#039;This blog needs more Voltaire and less Fry\/Thobani.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog needs more Voltaire and less Fry/Thobani.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129437','medic'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129437','medic','This blog needs more Voltaire and less Fry\/Thobani.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mike Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>1) Ezra Levant was a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher. His product was the Western Standard whatever. The primary purpose of a business is to make a profit. With me so far?</i></p>
<p>So because he is a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher, his actions are all governed by a profit motive.  This is of course known, in formal argumentation, as an <i>association fallacy</i>.</p>
<p>2) Controversy generates sales. Still there?</p>
<p>This is <i>begging the question</i>.  Also improper in formal argumentation.</p>
<p><i>3) Ezra’s extremely well publicized decision to run a series of old cartoons generated a wave of support among right wing bloggers, many of whom urged their readership to buy multiple copies and harass newstands not carrying the Western Standard. (If you doubt that, I suggest you revisit Steve Janke or Kate McMillans’s archives).</i></p>
<p>&#8230; and this is a <i>straw man</i> argument, as well as an association fallacy.  You&#8217;re using the actions of third-parties to infer the motives of Ezra Levant (that&#8217;s a straw man), and you are equating his motives with theirs, because you believe they share the same politics (that&#8217;s the association fallacy).</p>
<p><i>4) As noted above, Ezra himself declared that he had “suffered nither physical nor financial harm” through his action.</i></p>
<p>Why is this material? Is it your implication that he must have &#8220;sacrified&#8221; in some way for his motives to have been genuine in nature?</p>
<p><i>5) However, he launched an appeal for funding, picked up and endorsed by McMillan, Janke, Shaidle, and the usual suspects, “in case” a Human Rights charge cost him money. Again, my son, that’s all out there.</i></p>
<p>Perhaps it was his intention to raise the ire of certain people, and to land his butt before the Human Rights Commission.  But the existence of such ulterior motive (if one even exists) does not imply the profit motive that you have arrived at.  Hence, your entire argument does not escape the easy characterization by any neutral observer, of being a completely unsubstantiated <i>ad hominem</i> attack.  </p>
<p>Your initial article, and your subsequent defense for it, speaks more to your motive than to Ezra Levant&#8217;s.  I would suspect that your motive is egocentric in nature, and as such I find very little redeeming in what you&#8217;ve written here.</p>
<p><i>Given that I publish under a pseudonym here, no, I don’t think I will do that.</i></p>
<p>And that is of course, a major aspect of credibility in my book.  Posting under a pseudonym is often motivated by a desire to conceal ones identity for purpose of avoiding scrutiny among ones peers.</p>
<p>I work for one of the largest American software companies in a senior role, and I make no attempt to conceal my identity for the purpose of protecting my reputation.  </p>
<p>I will not reveal who my employer is, because as a public company, they have explicitly asked me not to, but my fellow employees are not hidden from my public political views.</p>
<p>I challenge you to post with your real name, and reveal evidence of your experience in the first-person, not through a third-party source.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129436','Mike Brock'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129436','Mike Brock','&lt;i&gt;1) Ezra Levant was a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher. His product was the Western Standard whatever. The primary purpose of a business is to make a profit. With me so far?&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nSo because he is a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher, his actions are all governed by a profit motive.  This is of course known, in formal argumentation, as an &lt;i&gt;association fallacy&lt;\/i&gt;.\r\n\r\n2) Controversy generates sales. Still there?\r\n\r\nThis is &lt;i&gt;begging the question&lt;\/i&gt;.  Also improper in formal argumentation.\r\n\r\n&lt;i&gt;3) Ezra&acirc;s extremely well publicized decision to run a series of old cartoons generated a wave of support among right wing bloggers, many of whom urged their readership to buy multiple copies and harass newstands not carrying the Western Standard. (If you doubt that, I suggest you revisit Steve Janke or Kate McMillans&acirc;s archives).&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\n... and this is a &lt;i&gt;straw man&lt;\/i&gt; argument, as well as an association fallacy.  You\'re using the actions of third-parties to infer the motives of Ezra Levant (that\'s a straw man), and you are equating his motives with theirs, because you believe they share the same politics (that\'s the association fallacy).\r\n\r\n&lt;i&gt;4) As noted above, Ezra himself declared that he had &acirc;suffered nither physical nor financial harm&acirc; through his action.&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nWhy is this material? Is it your implication that he must have \&quot;sacrified\&quot; in some way for his motives to have been genuine in nature?\r\n\r\n&lt;i&gt;5) However, he launched an appeal for funding, picked up and endorsed by McMillan, Janke, Shaidle, and the usual suspects, &acirc;in case&acirc; a Human Rights charge cost him money. Again, my son, that&acirc;s all out there.&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nPerhaps it was his intention to raise the ire of certain people, and to land his butt before the Human Rights Commission.  But the existence of such ulterior motive (if one even exists) does not imply the profit motive that you have arrived at.  Hence, your entire argument does not escape the easy characterization by any neutral observer, of being a completely unsubstantiated &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;\/i&gt; attack.  \r\n\r\nYour initial article, and your subsequent defense for it, speaks more to your motive than to Ezra Levant\'s.  I would suspect that your motive is egocentric in nature, and as such I find very little redeeming in what you\'ve written here.\r\n\r\n&lt;i&gt;Given that I publish under a pseudonym here, no, I don&acirc;t think I will do that.&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nAnd that is of course, a major aspect of credibility in my book.  Posting under a pseudonym is often motivated by a desire to conceal ones identity for purpose of avoiding scrutiny among ones peers.\r\n\r\nI work for one of the largest American software companies in a senior role, and I make no attempt to conceal my identity for the purpose of protecting my reputation.  \r\n\r\nI will not reveal who my employer is, because as a public company, they have explicitly asked me not to, but my fellow employees are not hidden from my public political views.\r\n\r\nI challenge you to post with your real name, and reveal evidence of your experience in the first-person, not through a third-party source.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are they really too stupid to recognize that they’re being duped? Are they getting a cut of this? Or is it just blog-fodder to them &#8211; more cheap, synthetic rage for the hate-machine?</i></p>
<p>(d) All of the above.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129404','JJ'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129404','JJ','&lt;i&gt;Are they really too stupid to recognize that they&acirc;re being duped? Are they getting a cut of this? Or is it just blog-fodder to them - more cheap, synthetic rage for the hate-machine?&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\n(d) All of the above.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
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		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mike. Long time no hear! Time appears to have improved your spelling, but not your propensity for imitating bad editorialists. Still, nice to have you back.</p>
<p>So leaving aside all the portentuous huffing and puffing, let me address the substance of your note. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For somebody who revels in how intelligent you are,&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you. It really is a gift. I can&#8217;t take credit for it, I was born brilliant, and the years have only added luster to my intellect.</p>
<p>&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;eloquent writing&#8230;&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>No, really, Mike, you&#8217;re much too kind. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;the best commentary you can provide is an ad hominem attack on Mr. Levant, specifically an attack on his motives, for which you have no substantive proof.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, given that it&#8217;s pretty much impossible to &#8220;prove&#8221; what anyone&#8217;s motives actually are under any given circumstances, Mike,  one is obliged to speculate on the basis of observable fact and actual outcomes. Tell me, which of the following points do you disagree with?</p>
<p>1) Ezra Levant was a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher. His product was the Western Standard whatever.  The primary purpose of a business is to make a profit. With me so far?</p>
<p>2) Controversy generates sales.  Still there?</p>
<p>3) Ezra&#8217;s extremely well publicized decision to run a series of old cartoons generated a wave of support among right wing bloggers, many of whom urged their readership to buy multiple copies and harass newstands not carrying the Western Standard. (If you doubt that, I suggest you revisit Steve Janke or Kate McMillans&#8217;s archives). </p>
<p>4) As noted above, Ezra himself declared that he had &#8220;suffered nither  physical nor financial harm&#8221; through his action.  </p>
<p>5) However, he launched an appeal for funding, picked up and endorsed by McMillan, Janke, Shaidle, and the usual suspects, &#8220;in case&#8221; a Human Rights charge cost him money.  Again, my son, that&#8217;s all out there.</p>
<p>So you see, Mike, I&#8217;m a bit of a loss to know what you think constitutes &#8220;substantive proof&#8221;. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Your motive is to detract from the substance of the debateted.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>No, my motive is to mock a self-aggrandizing pseudo-martyr, and hopefully to lift the scales from the eyes of some of his less deluded followers. Not you, of course. But some of the borderline cases. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;On an aside: I’ve always found it interesting, reading your commentary over the years, that you seem to have a piece of relevant life experience for virtually every topic that comes up.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, it has been an interesting life. That&#8217;s one of the few good things about getting old..you discover to your surprise that you&#8217;ve actually done quite a bit of interesting stuff.</p>
<p>Of course, if you&#8217;re suggesting that I&#8217;m lying, about this or anything I&#8217;ve talked about doing,  then let me know what specific assertion from my past you doubt, and I&#8217;ll provide some satisfactory evidence through a third party blogger you trust&#8230;possibly someone like James Bow or Andrew Anderson, who&#8217;ve met me and know me a bit.  This is on the condition that you agree to apologize for your rude insinuation both here and on your own blog when you are proven wrong. (Don&#8217;t you think your suggestion is bit misplaced, given that you&#8217;ve just finished berating me for an &#8220;unsubstantiated&#8221;, &#8220;ad-hominem&#8221; attack?) And you ARE wrong, by the way &#8211; I don&#8217;t lie. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Since all the Human Rights Commission’s publish the results of all adjudications in the jurisprudence section of it’s website, it would be interesting for once, if you backed up your claim by providing us a link to the relevant case for which you were a respondant.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Given that I publish under a pseudonym here, no, I don&#8217;t think I will do that.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I’m sure everyone would find it enlightening, because I must say, your apparent, infinitely-sized curriculum vitae strains credibility.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, perhaps some day you&#8217;ll get  a life too. Good luck with that.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129395','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129395','balbulican','Hi, Mike. Long time no hear! Time appears to have improved your spelling, but not your propensity for imitating bad editorialists. Still, nice to have you back.\r\n\r\nSo leaving aside all the portentuous huffing and puffing, let me address the substance of your note. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\&quot;For somebody who revels in how intelligent you are,...\&quot;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThank you. It really is a gift. I can\'t take credit for it, I was born brilliant, and the years have only added luster to my intellect.\r\n\r\n\&quot;\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;...eloquent writing...\&quot;\r\n&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\n\r\nNo, really, Mike, you\'re much too kind. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\&quot;...the best commentary you can provide is an ad hominem attack on Mr. Levant, specifically an attack on his motives, for which you have no substantive proof.\&quot;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nWell, given that it\'s pretty much impossible to \&quot;prove\&quot; what anyone\'s motives actually are under any given circumstances, Mike,  one is obliged to speculate on the basis of observable fact and actual outcomes. Tell me, which of the following points do you disagree with?\r\n\r\n1) Ezra Levant was a businessman, entrepreneur and publisher. His product was the Western Standard whatever.  The primary purpose of a business is to make a profit. With me so far?\r\n\r\n2) Controversy generates sales.  Still there?\r\n\r\n3) Ezra\'s extremely well publicized decision to run a series of old cartoons generated a wave of support among right wing bloggers, many of whom urged their readership to buy multiple copies and harass newstands not carrying the Western Standard. (If you doubt that, I suggest you revisit Steve Janke or Kate McMillans\'s archives). \r\n\r\n4) As noted above, Ezra himself declared that he had \&quot;suffered nither  physical nor financial harm\&quot; through his action.  \r\n\r\n5) However, he launched an appeal for funding, picked up and endorsed by McMillan, Janke, Shaidle, and the usual suspects, \&quot;in case\&quot; a Human Rights charge cost him money.  Again, my son, that\'s all out there.\r\n\r\nSo you see, Mike, I\'m a bit of a loss to know what you think constitutes \&quot;substantive proof\&quot;. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\&quot;Your motive is to detract from the substance of the debateted.\&quot;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nNo, my motive is to mock a self-aggrandizing pseudo-martyr, and hopefully to lift the scales from the eyes of some of his less deluded followers. Not you, of course. But some of the borderline cases. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\&quot;On an aside: I&acirc;ve always found it interesting, reading your commentary over the years, that you seem to have a piece of relevant life experience for virtually every topic that comes up.\&quot;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nYes, it has been an interesting life. That\'s one of the few good things about getting old..you discover to your surprise that you\'ve actually done quite a bit of interesting stuff.\r\n\r\nOf course, if you\'re suggesting that I\'m lying, about this or anything I\'ve talked about doing,  then let me know what specific assertion from my past you doubt, and I\'ll provide some satisfactory evidence through a third party blogger you trust...possibly someone like James Bow or Andrew Anderson, who\'ve met me and know me a bit.  This is on the condition that you agree to apologize for your rude insinuation both here and on your own blog when you are proven wrong. (Don\'t you think your suggestion is bit misplaced, given that you\'ve just finished berating me for an \&quot;unsubstantiated\&quot;, \&quot;ad-hominem\&quot; attack?) And you ARE wrong, by the way - I don\'t lie. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\&quot;Since all the Human Rights Commission&acirc;s publish the results of all adjudications in the jurisprudence section of it&acirc;s website, it would be interesting for once, if you backed up your claim by providing us a link to the relevant case for which you were a respondant.\&quot;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nGiven that I publish under a pseudonym here, no, I don\'t think I will do that.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\&quot;I&acirc;m sure everyone would find it enlightening, because I must say, your apparent, infinitely-sized curriculum vitae strains credibility.\&quot;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nWell, perhaps some day you\'ll get  a life too. Good luck with that.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mike Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Got it? Despite all the chest thumping, protestations of impending martyrdom, and declarations of victimhood, Ezra made money off his little ploy.&lt;/i&gt;

This is an interesting conclusion.  Ezra has secured third-party legal council in this case, the costs of which you have no information on.  

To that point, I find it interesting that you seem to believe that Mr. Levants entire motive in all this is simply profit. 

For somebody who revels in how intelligent you are, it&#039;s curious that behind all your eloquent writing, the best commentary you can provide is an ad hominem attack on Mr. Levant, specifically an attack on his motives, for which you have no substantive proof.   

Your motive is to detract from the substance of the debate, and to concentrate on bringing attention to Ezra Levant&#039;s motives, which by all accounts, you&#039;ve constructed.

On an aside: I&#039;ve always found it interesting, reading your commentary over the years, that you seem to have a piece of relevant life experience for virtually every topic that comes up.  From running your own business, to working for various governments, the UN, and now... being the receiving end of a complaint before the Human Rights Tribunal.

Since all the Human Rights Commission&#039;s publish the results of all adjudications in the jurisprudence section of it&#039;s website, it would be interesting for once, if you backed up your claim by providing us a link to the relevant case for which you were a respondant.  

I&#039;m sure everyone would find it enlightening, because I must say, your apparent, infinitely-sized curriculum vitae strains credibility.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129390&#039;,&#039;Mike Brock&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129390&#039;,&#039;Mike Brock&#039;,&#039;&lt;i&gt;Got it? Despite all the chest thumping, protestations of impending martyrdom, and declarations of victimhood, Ezra made money off his little ploy.&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nThis is an interesting conclusion.  Ezra has secured third-party legal council in this case, the costs of which you have no information on.  \r\n\r\nTo that point, I find it interesting that you seem to believe that Mr. Levants entire motive in all this is simply profit. \r\n\r\nFor somebody who revels in how intelligent you are, it\&#039;s curious that behind all your eloquent writing, the best commentary you can provide is an ad hominem attack on Mr. Levant, specifically an attack on his motives, for which you have no substantive proof.   \r\n\r\nYour motive is to detract from the substance of the debate, and to concentrate on bringing attention to Ezra Levant\&#039;s motives, which by all accounts, you\&#039;ve constructed.\r\n\r\nOn an aside: I\&#039;ve always found it interesting, reading your commentary over the years, that you seem to have a piece of relevant life experience for virtually every topic that comes up.  From running your own business, to working for various governments, the UN, and now... being the receiving end of a complaint before the Human Rights Tribunal.\r\n\r\nSince all the Human Rights Commission\&#039;s publish the results of all adjudications in the jurisprudence section of it\&#039;s website, it would be interesting for once, if you backed up your claim by providing us a link to the relevant case for which you were a respondant.  \r\n\r\nI\&#039;m sure everyone would find it enlightening, because I must say, your apparent, infinitely-sized curriculum vitae strains credibility.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Got it? Despite all the chest thumping, protestations of impending martyrdom, and declarations of victimhood, Ezra made money off his little ploy.</i></p>
<p>This is an interesting conclusion.  Ezra has secured third-party legal council in this case, the costs of which you have no information on.  </p>
<p>To that point, I find it interesting that you seem to believe that Mr. Levants entire motive in all this is simply profit. </p>
<p>For somebody who revels in how intelligent you are, it&#8217;s curious that behind all your eloquent writing, the best commentary you can provide is an ad hominem attack on Mr. Levant, specifically an attack on his motives, for which you have no substantive proof.   </p>
<p>Your motive is to detract from the substance of the debate, and to concentrate on bringing attention to Ezra Levant&#8217;s motives, which by all accounts, you&#8217;ve constructed.</p>
<p>On an aside: I&#8217;ve always found it interesting, reading your commentary over the years, that you seem to have a piece of relevant life experience for virtually every topic that comes up.  From running your own business, to working for various governments, the UN, and now&#8230; being the receiving end of a complaint before the Human Rights Tribunal.</p>
<p>Since all the Human Rights Commission&#8217;s publish the results of all adjudications in the jurisprudence section of it&#8217;s website, it would be interesting for once, if you backed up your claim by providing us a link to the relevant case for which you were a respondant.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure everyone would find it enlightening, because I must say, your apparent, infinitely-sized curriculum vitae strains credibility.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('129390','Mike Brock'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('129390','Mike Brock','&lt;i&gt;Got it? Despite all the chest thumping, protestations of impending martyrdom, and declarations of victimhood, Ezra made money off his little ploy.&lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nThis is an interesting conclusion.  Ezra has secured third-party legal council in this case, the costs of which you have no information on.  \r\n\r\nTo that point, I find it interesting that you seem to believe that Mr. Levants entire motive in all this is simply profit. \r\n\r\nFor somebody who revels in how intelligent you are, it\'s curious that behind all your eloquent writing, the best commentary you can provide is an ad hominem attack on Mr. Levant, specifically an attack on his motives, for which you have no substantive proof.   \r\n\r\nYour motive is to detract from the substance of the debate, and to concentrate on bringing attention to Ezra Levant\'s motives, which by all accounts, you\'ve constructed.\r\n\r\nOn an aside: I\'ve always found it interesting, reading your commentary over the years, that you seem to have a piece of relevant life experience for virtually every topic that comes up.  From running your own business, to working for various governments, the UN, and now... being the receiving end of a complaint before the Human Rights Tribunal.\r\n\r\nSince all the Human Rights Commission\'s publish the results of all adjudications in the jurisprudence section of it\'s website, it would be interesting for once, if you backed up your claim by providing us a link to the relevant case for which you were a respondant.  \r\n\r\nI\'m sure everyone would find it enlightening, because I must say, your apparent, infinitely-sized curriculum vitae strains credibility.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
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		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Dawg said.

The interface between law and social reality is a floating, permeable, and socially defined border. HRCs are an excellent way to mediate that boundary in the no-man&#039;s land of shifting social norms and needs.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;129387&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;129387&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;What Dawg said.\r\n\r\nThe interface between law and social reality is a floating, permeable, and socially defined border. HRCs are an excellent way to mediate that boundary in the no-man\&#039;s land of shifting social norms and needs.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Dawg said.</p>
<p>The interface between law and social reality is a floating, permeable, and socially defined border. HRCs are an excellent way to mediate that boundary in the no-man&#8217;s land of shifting social norms and needs.
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