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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128869</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A poor thing, Oscar...but for once, I suppose, your own?&quot;

James McNeill Whistler&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128869&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128869&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;\&quot;A poor thing, Oscar...but for once, I suppose, your own?\&quot;\r\n\r\nJames McNeill Whistler&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A poor thing, Oscar&#8230;but for once, I suppose, your own?&#8221;</p>
<p>James McNeill Whistler
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128869','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128869','balbulican','\&quot;A poor thing, Oscar...but for once, I suppose, your own?\&quot;\r\n\r\nJames McNeill Whistler'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128868</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say &quot;no more than ineffectual is on yours, Balby,&quot; but then I rememered: oh, yeah...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128868&#039;,&#039;Patrick Ross&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128868&#039;,&#039;Patrick Ross&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;d say \&quot;no more than ineffectual is on yours, Balby,\&quot; but then I rememered: oh, yeah...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say &#8220;no more than ineffectual is on yours, Balby,&#8221; but then I rememered: oh, yeah&#8230;
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128843</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROTFL.

Wow. Is that absolutely the ONLY string on your fiddle, Patrick?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128843&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128843&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;ROTFL.\r\n\r\nWow. Is that absolutely the ONLY string on your fiddle, Patrick?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROTFL.</p>
<p>Wow. Is that absolutely the ONLY string on your fiddle, Patrick?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128843','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128843','balbulican','ROTFL.\r\n\r\nWow. Is that absolutely the ONLY string on your fiddle, Patrick?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128839</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROTFL

Wow. The whole &quot;right-wing ideological villainy&quot; myth again.

I wish I could say I&#039;m shocked.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128839&#039;,&#039;Patrick Ross&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128839&#039;,&#039;Patrick Ross&#039;,&#039;ROTFL\r\n\r\nWow. The whole \&quot;right-wing ideological villainy\&quot; myth again.\r\n\r\nI wish I could say I\&#039;m shocked.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROTFL</p>
<p>Wow. The whole &#8220;right-wing ideological villainy&#8221; myth again.</p>
<p>I wish I could say I&#8217;m shocked.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128839','Patrick Ross'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128839','Patrick Ross','ROTFL\r\n\r\nWow. The whole \&quot;right-wing ideological villainy\&quot; myth again.\r\n\r\nI wish I could say I\'m shocked.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128835</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s difficult to discuss rationally  what the &lt;i&gt;left&lt;/i&gt; and the &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; want.

The righties I see on the news and around the blogosphere seem to be constantly talking about &lt;i&gt;their morals&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;their values&lt;/i&gt;and &lt;i&gt;their religion&lt;/i&gt;- and they want to impose those morals, those values, and those religious beliefs on all of us for fear that they will somehow be over run if they don&#039;t, and all the woes and ills that society faces could somehow be addressed if only they were followed.

Are these people representative of conservatism as it has evolved, unfortunately, from my personal experiences, that seems to be the case.

-- and that sort of authoritarianism needs to be watched.

PS: You&#039;re right about the zealots - discussion not possible whether they are to the left or right of centre.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128835&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128835&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;It\&#039;s difficult to discuss rationally  what the &lt;i&gt;left&lt;\/i&gt; and the &lt;i&gt;right&lt;\/i&gt; want.\r\n\r\nThe righties I see on the news and around the blogosphere seem to be constantly talking about &lt;i&gt;their morals&lt;\/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;their values&lt;\/i&gt;and &lt;i&gt;their religion&lt;\/i&gt;- and they want to impose those morals, those values, and those religious beliefs on all of us for fear that they will somehow be over run if they don\&#039;t, and all the woes and ills that society faces could somehow be addressed if only they were followed.\r\n\r\nAre these people representative of conservatism as it has evolved, unfortunately, from my personal experiences, that seems to be the case.\r\n\r\n-- and that sort of authoritarianism needs to be watched.\r\n\r\nPS: You\&#039;re right about the zealots - discussion not possible whether they are to the left or right of centre.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s difficult to discuss rationally  what the <i>left</i> and the <i>right</i> want.</p>
<p>The righties I see on the news and around the blogosphere seem to be constantly talking about <i>their morals</i> and <i>their values</i>and <i>their religion</i>- and they want to impose those morals, those values, and those religious beliefs on all of us for fear that they will somehow be over run if they don&#8217;t, and all the woes and ills that society faces could somehow be addressed if only they were followed.</p>
<p>Are these people representative of conservatism as it has evolved, unfortunately, from my personal experiences, that seems to be the case.</p>
<p>&#8211; and that sort of authoritarianism needs to be watched.</p>
<p>PS: You&#8217;re right about the zealots &#8211; discussion not possible whether they are to the left or right of centre.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128835','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128835','stageleft','It\'s difficult to discuss rationally  what the &lt;i&gt;left&lt;\/i&gt; and the &lt;i&gt;right&lt;\/i&gt; want.\r\n\r\nThe righties I see on the news and around the blogosphere seem to be constantly talking about &lt;i&gt;their morals&lt;\/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;their values&lt;\/i&gt;and &lt;i&gt;their religion&lt;\/i&gt;- and they want to impose those morals, those values, and those religious beliefs on all of us for fear that they will somehow be over run if they don\'t, and all the woes and ills that society faces could somehow be addressed if only they were followed.\r\n\r\nAre these people representative of conservatism as it has evolved, unfortunately, from my personal experiences, that seems to be the case.\r\n\r\n-- and that sort of authoritarianism needs to be watched.\r\n\r\nPS: You\'re right about the zealots - discussion not possible whether they are to the left or right of centre.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128833</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has always seemed to me that the primary difference between the right and left is this:  the left wants to be loved; the right wants to be feared.

Someone else mentioned the Christian penchant for seeing themselves as martyrs.  It&#039;s a long tradition.  However, in recent years, at least in free countries such as the US and Canada, this &quot;persecution&quot; is mostly imaginary and looks a great deal like paranoia.

I do not consider myself a leftie or a liberal (or a conservative either), and I often disagree with things set forth here at SL.  But I read it often, because I want to know what the more liberal element is thinking.  And, I&#039;ve found things here that made me think or re-think ideas.  By and large, I&#039;ve quit reading the more rabid right wing blogs, because rational discussion is just not possible there.  I suppose it isn&#039;t at the more zealous left wing blogs, too.  I just don&#039;t go there.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128833&#039;,&#039;Karen&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128833&#039;,&#039;Karen&#039;,&#039;It has always seemed to me that the primary difference between the right and left is this:  the left wants to be loved; the right wants to be feared.\r\n\r\nSomeone else mentioned the Christian penchant for seeing themselves as martyrs.  It\&#039;s a long tradition.  However, in recent years, at least in free countries such as the US and Canada, this \&quot;persecution\&quot; is mostly imaginary and looks a great deal like paranoia.\r\n\r\nI do not consider myself a leftie or a liberal (or a conservative either), and I often disagree with things set forth here at SL.  But I read it often, because I want to know what the more liberal element is thinking.  And, I\&#039;ve found things here that made me think or re-think ideas.  By and large, I\&#039;ve quit reading the more rabid right wing blogs, because rational discussion is just not possible there.  I suppose it isn\&#039;t at the more zealous left wing blogs, too.  I just don\&#039;t go there.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has always seemed to me that the primary difference between the right and left is this:  the left wants to be loved; the right wants to be feared.</p>
<p>Someone else mentioned the Christian penchant for seeing themselves as martyrs.  It&#8217;s a long tradition.  However, in recent years, at least in free countries such as the US and Canada, this &#8220;persecution&#8221; is mostly imaginary and looks a great deal like paranoia.</p>
<p>I do not consider myself a leftie or a liberal (or a conservative either), and I often disagree with things set forth here at SL.  But I read it often, because I want to know what the more liberal element is thinking.  And, I&#8217;ve found things here that made me think or re-think ideas.  By and large, I&#8217;ve quit reading the more rabid right wing blogs, because rational discussion is just not possible there.  I suppose it isn&#8217;t at the more zealous left wing blogs, too.  I just don&#8217;t go there.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128833','Karen'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128833','Karen','It has always seemed to me that the primary difference between the right and left is this:  the left wants to be loved; the right wants to be feared.\r\n\r\nSomeone else mentioned the Christian penchant for seeing themselves as martyrs.  It\'s a long tradition.  However, in recent years, at least in free countries such as the US and Canada, this \&quot;persecution\&quot; is mostly imaginary and looks a great deal like paranoia.\r\n\r\nI do not consider myself a leftie or a liberal (or a conservative either), and I often disagree with things set forth here at SL.  But I read it often, because I want to know what the more liberal element is thinking.  And, I\'ve found things here that made me think or re-think ideas.  By and large, I\'ve quit reading the more rabid right wing blogs, because rational discussion is just not possible there.  I suppose it isn\'t at the more zealous left wing blogs, too.  I just don\'t go there.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: doug newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merry Christmas stageleft and balbulican (love that name). All the best for the new year.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128827&#039;,&#039;doug newton&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128827&#039;,&#039;doug newton&#039;,&#039;Merry Christmas stageleft and balbulican (love that name). All the best for the new year.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry Christmas stageleft and balbulican (love that name). All the best for the new year.
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
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		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 03:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Balb, I get what you’re saying, really, I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently not. But that&#8217;s okay. Everyone else seems to.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128825','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128825','balbulican','\&quot;Balb, I get what you&acirc;re saying, really, I do.\&quot;\r\n\r\nApparently not. But that\'s okay. Everyone else seems to.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Balb, I get what you&#039;re saying, really, I do.

The truth is an unpleasant thing to have to face. But you know what? I don&#039;t script reality, bub. When you&#039;re willing to address these inconvenient truths, maybe you&#039;ll accrue yourself a little bit of credibility.

&lt;i&gt;Especially&lt;/i&gt; since you&#039;re taking examples of your ideological opponents ignoring key, vital details as an opportunity to brand them as liars. Now you&#039;re being presented with just such a key, vital detail, and you&#039;re choosing to ignore it.

But don&#039;t worry: I won&#039;t even say it. Truth be told, I really don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128813&#039;,&#039;Patrick Ross&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128813&#039;,&#039;Patrick Ross&#039;,&#039;Balb, I get what you\&#039;re saying, really, I do.\r\n\r\nThe truth is an unpleasant thing to have to face. But you know what? I don\&#039;t script reality, bub. When you\&#039;re willing to address these inconvenient truths, maybe you\&#039;ll accrue yourself a little bit of credibility.\r\n\r\n&lt;i&gt;Especially&lt;\/i&gt; since you\&#039;re taking examples of your ideological opponents ignoring key, vital details as an opportunity to brand them as liars. Now you\&#039;re being presented with just such a key, vital detail, and you\&#039;re choosing to ignore it.\r\n\r\nBut don\&#039;t worry: I won\&#039;t even say it. Truth be told, I really don\&#039;t &lt;i&gt;have&lt;\/i&gt; to.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balb, I get what you&#8217;re saying, really, I do.</p>
<p>The truth is an unpleasant thing to have to face. But you know what? I don&#8217;t script reality, bub. When you&#8217;re willing to address these inconvenient truths, maybe you&#8217;ll accrue yourself a little bit of credibility.</p>
<p><i>Especially</i> since you&#8217;re taking examples of your ideological opponents ignoring key, vital details as an opportunity to brand them as liars. Now you&#8217;re being presented with just such a key, vital detail, and you&#8217;re choosing to ignore it.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t worry: I won&#8217;t even say it. Truth be told, I really don&#8217;t <i>have</i> to.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128813','Patrick Ross'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128813','Patrick Ross','Balb, I get what you\'re saying, really, I do.\r\n\r\nThe truth is an unpleasant thing to have to face. But you know what? I don\'t script reality, bub. When you\'re willing to address these inconvenient truths, maybe you\'ll accrue yourself a little bit of credibility.\r\n\r\n&lt;i&gt;Especially&lt;\/i&gt; since you\'re taking examples of your ideological opponents ignoring key, vital details as an opportunity to brand them as liars. Now you\'re being presented with just such a key, vital detail, and you\'re choosing to ignore it.\r\n\r\nBut don\'t worry: I won\'t even say it. Truth be told, I really don\'t &lt;i&gt;have&lt;\/i&gt; to.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128809</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Site name: Stageleft. Seems like a self-proclamation of “left-wing” political beliefs to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>How did that whole &#8220;life on the <b>lower</b> left side&#8221; manage to escape you Patrick &#8211; see <a href="http://www.stageleft.info/political-compass/" rel="nofollow">our political compass</a></p>
<blockquote><p>doug newton: Your post is filed under right/wing nuts.<br />
I assume that there is also a left/wing nuts file.<br />
How would I access that file?</p></blockquote>
<p>We leave that up to the <i>other guys</i>, personally I can&#8217;t stand reading the loonie left and had to quit listening to Air America radio for the same reason, they drive me nuts.</p>
<p>Zorph: &#8212; they not only confiscated them but the last we heard the animals were waterboarding the data, soggy data, <i>oh the humanity!!</i> does no one care about the data?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128809','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128809','stageleft','&lt;blockquote&gt;Site name: Stageleft. Seems like a self-proclamation of &acirc;left-wing&acirc; political beliefs to me.&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nHow did that whole \&quot;life on the &lt;b&gt;lower&lt;\/b&gt; left side\&quot; manage to escape you Patrick - see &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.stageleft.info\/political-compass\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;our political compass&lt;\/a&gt;\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;doug newton: Your post is filed under right\/wing nuts.\r\nI assume that there is also a left\/wing nuts file.\r\nHow would I access that file?&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nWe leave that up to the &lt;i&gt;other guys&lt;\/i&gt;, personally I can\'t stand reading the loonie left and had to quit listening to Air America radio for the same reason, they drive me nuts.\r\n\r\nZorph: --- they not only confiscated them but the last we heard the animals were waterboarding the data, soggy data, &lt;i&gt;oh the humanity!!&lt;\/i&gt; does no one care about the data?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ian Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128807</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;“I appreciate Kate’s site for the freedom of expression that she allows.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Her &#8220;freedom of expression&#8221; is quite subjective.  In a thread sometime ago, I addressed a commenter by her publically known name instead of her three initials.</p>
<p>This caused some sort of dispute about the correct way to formally address a person.</p>
<p>I therefore requested to be addressed as &#8220;UpMyKilt&#8221; in the future on SDA.</p>
<p>I was then banned.</p>
<p>I thought it was quite humorous <img src='http://www.stageleft.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128807','Ian Scott'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128807','Ian Scott','&lt;blockquote&gt;\&quot;&acirc;I appreciate Kate&acirc;s site for the freedom of expression that she allows.&acirc;&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nHer \&quot;freedom of expression\&quot; is quite subjective.  In a thread sometime ago, I addressed a commenter by her publically known name instead of her three initials.\r\n\r\nThis caused some sort of dispute about the correct way to formally address a person.\r\n\r\nI therefore requested to be addressed as \&quot;UpMyKilt\&quot; in the future on SDA.\r\n\r\nI was then banned.\r\n\r\nI thought it was quite humorous :)'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Zorpheous</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128806</link>
		<dc:creator>Zorpheous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the leftwing file was confiscated by the department of hameland security, or didn&#039;t you know.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128806&#039;,&#039;Zorpheous&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128806&#039;,&#039;Zorpheous&#039;,&#039;the leftwing file was confiscated by the department of hameland security, or didn\&#039;t you know.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the leftwing file was confiscated by the department of hameland security, or didn&#8217;t you know.
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128805</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attempts to shoehorn discussions into the &quot;Oh, YEAH? Well, THEY do it TOO!&quot; channel instead of addressing the point are just so...SDA-esque, don&#039;t you think? 

Doug, in future, save yourself time and us boredom, and simply type &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stageleft.info/2005/02/13/this-buds-for-you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BUD Reference D-9&lt;/a&gt;.  Thanks.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128805&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128805&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;Attempts to shoehorn discussions into the \&quot;Oh, YEAH? Well, THEY do it TOO!\&quot; channel instead of addressing the point are just so...SDA-esque, don\&#039;t you think? \r\n\r\nDoug, in future, save yourself time and us boredom, and simply type &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.stageleft.info\/2005\/02\/13\/this-buds-for-you\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;BUD Reference D-9&lt;\/a&gt;.  Thanks.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attempts to shoehorn discussions into the &#8220;Oh, YEAH? Well, THEY do it TOO!&#8221; channel instead of addressing the point are just so&#8230;SDA-esque, don&#8217;t you think? </p>
<p>Doug, in future, save yourself time and us boredom, and simply type <a href="http://www.stageleft.info/2005/02/13/this-buds-for-you/" rel="nofollow">BUD Reference D-9</a>.  Thanks.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128805','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128805','balbulican','Attempts to shoehorn discussions into the \&quot;Oh, YEAH? Well, THEY do it TOO!\&quot; channel instead of addressing the point are just so...SDA-esque, don\'t you think? \r\n\r\nDoug, in future, save yourself time and us boredom, and simply type &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.stageleft.info\/2005\/02\/13\/this-buds-for-you\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;BUD Reference D-9&lt;\/a&gt;.  Thanks.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: doug newton</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128801</link>
		<dc:creator>doug newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>balbulican
Your post is filed under right/wing nuts.
I assume that there is also a left/wing nuts file.
How would I access that file?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128801&#039;,&#039;doug newton&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128801&#039;,&#039;doug newton&#039;,&#039;balbulican\r\nYour post is filed under right\/wing nuts.\r\nI assume that there is also a left\/wing nuts file.\r\nHow would I access that file?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>balbulican<br />
Your post is filed under right/wing nuts.<br />
I assume that there is also a left/wing nuts file.<br />
How would I access that file?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128801','doug newton'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128801','doug newton','balbulican\r\nYour post is filed under right\/wing nuts.\r\nI assume that there is also a left\/wing nuts file.\r\nHow would I access that file?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/12/22/if-you-have-to-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-128800</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking for the bit you&#039;re misinterpreting as a statement attributing freeping to &quot;right-wingers alone&quot;, and you know, I just can&#039;t seem to find that part.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;128800&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;128800&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;m looking for the bit you\&#039;re misinterpreting as a statement attributing freeping to \&quot;right-wingers alone\&quot;, and you know, I just can\&#039;t seem to find that part.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking for the bit you&#8217;re misinterpreting as a statement attributing freeping to &#8220;right-wingers alone&#8221;, and you know, I just can&#8217;t seem to find that part.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('128800','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('128800','balbulican','I\'m looking for the bit you\'re misinterpreting as a statement attributing freeping to \&quot;right-wingers alone\&quot;, and you know, I just can\'t seem to find that part.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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