Desmond ‘the anti-Semite’ Tutu
University of St. Thomas banns Desmond Tutu from speaking for making comments that “some people judged to be anti-Semitic and against Israeli policy”.
Who is this someone you ask….. it’s the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas.
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1. You misrepresented the article. The article does not say “it is the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas.” Quite the contrary it says that it is one person from that council + a few rabbis, members of the faculty. Others took the opposite view.
2. Poor Desmond Tutu’s freedom of speech has hardly been impeded upon. He never shuts up; mostly to attack Jews or Israel. Don’t you think St. Thomas administration has a write to uninvite who they invited? Big deal.
3. He figured us out anyway when he stated: “People are scared in the United States to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what? Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust.†[Don't you just love this touch - comparing Jews to Hitler?].
Now that he knows there is no point hiding that we are omnipotent.
4. I have to admit that he is indeed a very godly and forgiving man. In 1989 he visited Yad Vashem memorial to the millions of Jews murdered by the Nazis only to pray for the Nazi murderers and to lecture the Jews on how they should not defend themselves.
5. Never realized that Minneapolis newspapers are so popular. It is the second time in the last 24 hours that I find someone who reads them . The last link was from, in the words of a British judge, “racist, anti-Semite, holocaust denier and a liar” - David Irving: http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/index.html
“it says that it is one person from that council + a few rabbis, members of the faculty. ”
The “one person from that council” was identified by the reporter as a “spokersperson” for the organization. The reporter may be incorrect: Stageleft’s interpretation of the noun “spokesperson” is not.
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That should keep you busy for a while. lol. Enjoy, cry, get angry, feel proud. That’s how war is…I think…
[1] there is no misrepresentation
[2] in this case his freedom of speech has been impeded
[3] the quote I was able to find (Haaretz April 29, 2002) reads
…. some what different from yours isn’t it?
[4] I am not familiar with the event, possibly you have a link that describes it, and his words, in full you could point us towards.
[5] yeah, yeah, I get your point shlemazl, David Irving is a “racist, anti-Semite, holocaust denier and a liarâ€, David Irving reads (or once read or once quoted) a Minneapolis newspaper, therefor, because stageleft read and quoted a Minneapolis newspaper he to is a “racist, anti-Semite, holocaust denier and a liar†……. you posted about being on a plane a few days ago, have you ever eaten anybody?
Don’t you find that sort of thing even a little bit weak?
1. Ok. Note that the article you link to states: “Hennes says the input officials received from “the Jewish community” in this case was confined to Swiler and a few rabbis teaching within St. Thomas’s Center for Jewish-Christian Learning. ”
Hennes is the university Vice-president who invoked the invitation. The article is wrong, Swiler is not “the spokesperson”. She is the public affairs director.
2. You have no clue what freedom of speech is. It does not mean that you can come to my house and give a talk. Even if I invite you I have a right to uninvite you. Nothing to do with freedom of speech.
3. Your version seems to miss out the reference to the all-powerful-Jewish lobby, which is later compared to Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, etc…
The full speech is widely quoted on the web, e.g. here:
http://www.sabeel.org/pdfs/Occupation%20is%20Oppression.htm
4. ”Our Lord would say that in the end the positive thing that can come is the spirit of forgiving, not forgetting, but the spirit of saying: God, this happened to us,” the South African cleric said after visiting Jerusalem’s Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial.
”We pray for those who made it happen, help us to forgive them and help us so that we in our turn will not make others suffer,” he said in what he described as the message he would offer to the descendants of those who suffered the Nazi crime that took six million Jewish lives.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE2D81230F934A15751C1A96F948260&n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FPeople%2FT%2FTutu%2C%20Desmond%20M.
5. It is an interesting coincidence that David Irving expressed exactly the same sentiment and linked to the same article in an obscure paper as you did on the same day. You can also find the link here: http://mpacuk.org/ and in a number of other Nazi/Islamist/left websites.
It takes a certain type of person to fish for articles like this. I am not saying that you (or Tutu) are necessarily driven by exactly the same sentiment as Irving. It’s just that neither Nazis nor Archbishops nor Islamists or “lefties” seem to be that fond of either Jews or Israel.
We must be doing something right.
Here is another link to the speech which was quoted by university as the reason for canceling the invitation:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,706911,00.html
And here is definition of the freedom of speech:
http://www.bartleby.com/59/14/freedomofspe.html
“Hennes is the university Vice-president who invoked the invitation. The article is wrong, Swiler is not “the spokespersonâ€. She is the public affairs director.”
Nonsense. Any organization may designate any director (or staff member) it chooses as its spokesperson. A Public Affairs Director is a common choice.
Yeah, and spokespersons talk to journalists or the public. In this case Hennes consulted Swiler and a few rabbies and they gave their views.
As it happens Swiler acts as a spokesperson for a government environmental department, which may have been the source of this confusion.
Misrepresentation of the article comes because it is not clear at all from the article that at any point “Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas” or even Swiler stated Tutu to be anti-Semitic. “Some people” did. Swiler stated that “She run across some statements that were of concern to her”.
Personally, I wouldn’t necessarily call Tutu anti-Semitic. He makes anti-Semitic statements. I most certainly support university’s decision which was clearly justified very well. Had Tutu been white and had he been targeting blacks in his statements, me thinks left-wingers would have taken a different approach. Attacking Jews gets full support on the left.
As for Tutu’s message on what the descendants of those who suffered the Nazi crime should do… I don’t care much for any instructions from Desmond “fucking” Tutu.
As for your regular interest in all things Jewish and Israeli… It is noted and highly appreciated.
No problem.
St Thomas has re-evaluated it’s decision to ban Tutu, three things that remain outstanding at this point are whether
[1] he will accept
[2] poet Lucille Clifton who canceled her appearance as part of a CommUNITY Week Celebration at St. Thomas will decide to attend after all
[3] Cris Toffolo, an associate professor of political science who was removed from her job over the incident, will ever be reinstated as director of the Justice and Peace Studies Program
… how’s that for a convoluted statement?