Freep: To slew or cheat an online poll by repeatedly voting (clearing cookies, using proxies) or to make a blog appear to be commented by numerous posters by the same means. (From the practices of the Free Republic or “freepers”)

That’s why they differentiate between freeping and “voting” - because it’s different.

…deluded and obsessed…

Sez it all.

So SUZANNE admits that this is merely a trick and is not representative of the view of Canadians, as it was supposed to be.

Give me a break. It was a self-selected sample by a magazine with a circulation of 50 000. If you think that method is going to get a representative view of Canadians, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

Which myth is that?

The one that is vehicled in the media especially by the CBC.

Jesus, you’d have to be ignorant of the last 47 years of Canadian history to believe that

I know that. The people who keep pushing Trudeau’s values don’t, or pretend that opposition was marginal.

This “poll” means nothing. I only means that you can cheat on a online poll. It in no way represents what Canadians think, only what you thing. That means its NOT TRUE.

OMG, a self-selected sample doesn’t represent the feelings of Canadians. What next, you’re going to tell me that those online newspaper polls don’t represent the view of Canadians,either.

You are proud of this? How old are you, 10?

Let’s get this straight; you’re upset about a freeped poll with a self-selected sample? And you’re accusing me of immaturity?

Gimme a break.

I’m no fan of PET, but he is not more hated than Paul Bernardo by any stretch of the imagination. To think otherwise shows just how deluded and obsessed you really are.

PET’s actions led to the deaths of 3 million unborn Canadians. That’s way more damage that Paul Bernardo. History is about a collective experience. PET’s legacy has far more repercussions than Paul Bernardo, as evil as he was. The poll wasn’t for the most immoral Canadian, just the worst one.

Unfortunately these little freeping games have pretty much eliminated the very limited validity of online polling.

Eliminated? The nature of online polling is that it never had validity in the first place. If you want a serious online poll, you have to do it like Angus Reid does it.

To brag about it is pretty stupid, seems to me.

Hey, I sent the information to numerous contacts and blogged about it. My work paid off. The guy I dislike was voted Worst Canadian. Darn right I’m proud.

SUZANNE’S fond delusions aside, these results have nothing to do with reality. Which, from the perspective of SUZANNE and her ilk, is a good thing…since Stephen Harper is more widely loathed than Clifford Olsen.

Obviously the lefties were out to freep for Harper. Not to mention Conrad Black.

PET’s actions led to the deaths of 3 million unborn Canadians. That’s way more damage that Paul Bernardo.

Wow, SUZANNE. I’m sure Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy’s parents would be pleased to hear that you hold their daughters in the same regard as something floating around in a petri dish.

Seriously though, and I’m not being a smartass, I sometimes work with polling and research and I’m genuinely curious… what do you guys get out of this freeping? When you freep a poll and the results are skewed, how do you see that as some kind of accomplishment?

Holy cow! That guy’s not really a doctor, is he? If he is, don’t tell me, I don’t want to know.

As far as what they get out of this freeping thing, I concur with your assessment: validation, they’ll take it any way they can get it. But when the only way they can get it is to cheat, how can they really see it as validation? I’m truly curious about this. It defies log— oh. There we go.

It amuses me to no end how so many of the Blogging Tories, most of whom were not even alive when Trudeau was PM, blame him for every so called socialist transgression without even having a kernel of knowledge about what Trudeau did/did not accomplish. The vast majority of our social safety net was in place long before Trudeau and was wholely endorsed by the Conservative PM Diefenbaker before him.

Trudeau endures in the Canadian political landscape because he was probably the most loved and loved to be hated PM in our history. Everyone had an opinion on him which is why the CBC and other media outlets continue to air programs about him. It’s good for ratings.

Beyond repatriation and the Charter, which he accomplished after his first retirement, a leave that was brought about by disdain for him in his own party, Trudeau didn’t do too much. The War Measures Act was a knee jerk reaction and entirely unbelieveable given Trudeau’s self proclaimed civil libertarian background. Amusingly, he is most hated for the National Energy Program, a program which he essentially “borrowed” from the opposition Progressive Conservatives of the day who had been advocating price controls on gasoline.

He gets too much credit for what he didn’t do and is blamed for things that were not on his watch. Freeping a poll to make him the worst canadian ever shows appalling historical ignorance and plain ole stupidity.

Canadian US relations is great example Balb. How about Linden Johnson grabbing Lester Pearson by the throat and stating “you fucked me on the Auto Pact”. Sounds cozy doesn’t it?

But the opinions you note are created by reading too many blogs and not enough actual history. Critical thinking is dead in the blogosphere. Freeping polls is a great example of pack ideologue foolishness.

How is it cheating to tell all my conservative friends to vote for Trudeau on this contest? They’re asking for an opinion. They didn’t go house to house, or email address to email address. They didn’t get a sample of any kind. It was in the papers.

The contest asked to pick the worst Canadian. And so we did. That’s it. Did anyone seriously think it was a real poll? Then they’re uninformed. I certainly didn’t think of it as a real poll. TheBeaver.ca must have known this was not a serious poll: they’re educated, right?

Why aren’t the freepers against Harper being taken to task?

“Freep: To slew or cheat an online poll by repeatedly voting (clearing cookies, using proxies) or to make a blog appear to be commented by numerous posters by the same means. (From the practices of the Free Republic or “freepers”)

That’s why they differentiate between freeping and “voting” - because it’s different. “

That’s not the sense that I use the word in. To freep simply means to vote massively in a poll or contest. I passed around the information and asked people to vote for Trudeau and Morgentaler. Trudeau got about 2400 votes. That doesn’t sound like there was mass cheating, considering how easy it would have been to cheat.

“Freeping a poll to make him the worst canadian ever shows appalling historical ignorance and plain ole stupidity. “

Not all of us are conservatives in the partisan sense of the word. I don’t consider myself a conservative.

Trudeau legalized abortion. Trudeau alienated the West, Trudeau repatriated the Constitution without getting Quebec to sign. He invoked the War Measures act that caused many innocent people to be jailed. Trudeau built up the debt. Those are all facts of history that motivate people to vote for him as the worst Canadian. You may disagree about the motives for choosing him, but that’s not ignorance of history.

“I really do a get a kick out of these very serious young ideologues somberly explaining “history” to us from their astonishingly uninformed perspective.”

I have a history degree.

Whooee! The naive folks over at The Beaver set out to get an honest opinion. They weren’t runnin’ a contest to see who’s favourite villain could be the object of a concerted campaign to deliver skewed results. I figger they really thought they would get serious answers from their history buff readership.

The freepers subverted the intent of the innocent but not-too-savvy Beaver publishers.

For that, SUZANNE is proud.

I suggest SUZANNE email the editor of The Beaver and inform them how proud she is that she helped engineer the freeping and helped make meaningless the hours of work that The Beaver staff were paid to create and publish the poll. That’s the way to support private business and an independent Canadian publisher.

Obsessed and deluded, fer sure.

JB

It’s good to know from Suzanne that Trudeau single-handedly broke the back of this fine country by writing into law that abortion was not a criminal act and women didn’t need to die in back rooms anymore. *And* he alienated the West. (which doesn’t explain all those cartoons from the 1800s on about how the Canadian West saw itself being used by the fat cats down East, but hey, she has a history degree.)

Perhaps Trudeau had super Rasputin powers to get all those minions across the country to go along with him on the evil degeneration of the national morals. Or was Morgentaler the Rasputin, leading his bedevilled acolytes into the halls of the deluded SCOC?

Is it time to ask Suzanne what criminal penalty there should be for women gaining medical abortions in, or out of the country, once she and her cronies redress the evil of Trudeau and re-criminalize the act? Will she demand women produce proof a miscarriage was not a deliberate inducement on the party of the willfully evil fetus carrier? Will unmarried women be required to register all possible fathers of the fetus so the state can go after the responsible male for support? Would she except rape as a reason to force women to carry a fetus to term?

And if Suzanne believes that women shouldn’t be punished for a criminal act she equates to the murder of a ex-vitro actual being, because they’re too emotional to be competent actors in their own lives, she can just sit down and stop speaking. She’s only an emotional, incompetent woman and should leave the actual representing to the men in her life.

The Beaver made one mistake. It didn’t have the budget the CBC did for fraud monitoring its poll for “The Greatest Canadian”. I just want to thank Suzanne and her friends about openly admitting to what they did, because people are always inclined to doubt such rudeness is a deliberate conspiracy unless confessed. I hope they will be as upfront in future, especially about penalties for pregnant women gaining illegal abortions.

I think what you’re seeing is authentic puzzlement, lrC.

Whooee! That’s some piece o’ rebuttin’, SL. I reckon SUZANNE’s got another bit o’ cyberslang fer her vocabulary: pwned

JB

“How is causing a non-poll to have non-results a cause for celebration? What do you guys get out of it?”

I absolutely guarantee you that you will see this “finding” cited on Blogging Tory sites for years to come. The “truth” of it doesn’t matter: it’s useful.

What ’s funny is that our friends never seem to wonder if, perhaps, there’s something wrong with a perspective that requires that kind of absurd behaviour to support it.

I am telling you in the way I used the word– to me freeping means mass voting– not necessarily cheating. If you state that I believe freeping means that there is cheating necessarily involved, then you are making a slanderous statement about me. Words on the internet do involve. A troll used to ONLY mean someone who makes inflammatory statements in a group. Now it means any troublesome poster. I don’t know that “Freep” has ever meant anything other than simply voting on Free Dominion. That is the way I’ve used that term and that is the way people in my circle of acquaintances use that word.

I have never used “freeped” in the sense of eliminating cookies and then re-voting in a poll. Some freepers do that– just like some voters in federal elections cheat– but that is not what I’d wanted– I’d simply wanted people to vote.

If you say anything else about my intentions, you’re are making a slanderous statement. You simply do not care to know what I really meant, you just want to find some way to condemn me.

“Is it just satisfaction at the visual experience of seeing the names “Trudeau” and “Morgentaler” in the top three underneath the heading “Worst Canadians”? ”

Yes, it’s the satisfaction of seeing those names as “worst Canadians”, which I and many other people feel is deserved, and to have the liberal MSM have to report it, and for people to know that not everyone worships these two. It’s great for the MSM to wake up to opinions other than left-wing ones.

“Really now, and if you were to put some sort of political label on yourself what would it be then?”

Just social conservative. A right-winger, a right-of-center person, but conservative is not entirely accurate.

As for women and abortion and jailtime: I think that in the beginning women will not see jailtime. But as unborn children are progressively recognized as equal, eventually women will be subject to criminal penalties. Many will escape jailtime because it is the testimony of the women that often leads to the conviction of the abortionist. That is a minority view in the pro-life movement. Many pro-lifers believe women are co-erced into having abortions to begin with. I’d also like to note that very few women ever face jailtime for infanticide in Canada.

“I have never used “freeped” in the sense of eliminating cookies and then re-voting in a poll…That is the way I’ve used that term and that is the way people in my circle of acquaintances use that word.”

I like that. Exactly like Bill Clinton redefining “sex”.

‘Yes, it’s the satisfaction of seeing those names as “worst Canadians”, which I and many other people feel is deserved, and to have the liberal MSM have to report it…”

But that’s meaningless, SUZANNE, if the “finding” was the result of organized, mass mobilization of a group to swing the vote
“… and for people to know that not everyone worships these two.”

SUZANNE…I can think of two people in Canada who think that “those two” are “worshipped” by “everyone”. That would be you, and possibly Canadian Sentinel. The rest of us, it seems, are a bit more familiar with history.

See, here’s what’s silly. A bunch of you organized to swing this poll. But you see, you didn’t change anyone’s mind. You changed a number. The folks who hated Trudeau still hate him. The folks who admired him still admire him. What on earth do you imagine you’ve accomplished?

And yes, I wrote Trudeau in on my vote - he negatively affected far more people than Bernardo or Olsen, and if you count the suicides resulting from the NEP…

Whooee! Canadace, when you an’ SUZANNE are writin’ yer letters of apology to Canada’s History Society, you better write another one to the French and Mahaffey families. Your comment is a giant slap in the face to real victims.

Here in my neck o’ the woods, we gotta buncha crybaby tobacka farmers threatenin’ to commit suicide if the gummint don’t give in to their blackmail demands of $1 million a-piece to quit growin’ poison. Are you sayin’ Harper’ll be responsible fer them suicides like Troodough is responsible fer oilpatch suicides? First Nations youth are more suicidal than millionaire farmers and out of work oilpatch workers. Their issues transcend every gummint since confederation. Let’s blame Sir John A. fer gettin’ that particular ball rollin’. Sir John A. as worst Canajun? The Queen of Canada as worst Canajun?

JB

}}}}}} sigh {{{{{{ Three relaxing days in the country by the river and this hasn’t been sorted out yet? For gods sake SUZANNE, do the right thing will you?

I am telling you in the way I used the word– to me freeping means mass voting– not necessarily cheating.

Let me explain this to you one more time SUZANNE, freeping is cheating, I’m not sure how much more clear I can make that. How can people use a word that means one thing in a way that means something completely different and hope to make any sense or be understood? You are participating in a written medium, it is therefore exceedingly important that you use words properly - don’t you think? If you used the word freeping to mean mass voting, and you didn’t actually freep, then you used the word incorrectly - for petes sake, get a grip will you.

If you state that I believe freeping means that there is cheating necessarily involved, then you are making a slanderous statement about me.

No (again), I stated the definition of freeping, you said “all the freeping paid off”, and while you’re coming to grips with the definition of common words check out the difference between slander and liable - slander is oral, liable is written, and it doesn’t really matter how you understand that your claim has no legal merit anyway.

Words on the internet do involve.

And sometimes they even evolve, freeping is such a word. It emerged from the ‘net and evolved to mean a clear set of actions taken by people on the Internet to skew an online poll.

I don’t know that “Freep” has ever meant anything other than simply voting on Free Dominion.

Yes you do know, I gave you the definition of freeping, not an understood definition of freeping, not a cobbled together definition of freeping, but the definition of freeping. Did you mean to use the past tense, as in “I didn’t know that…..”? That written medium thing again ‘eh?

That is the way I’ve used that term and that is the way people in my circle of acquaintances use that word.

Then you, and your circle of acquaintances are wrong, you should be more careful about using words you don’t know the meaning of…. re-read that part about the written medium OK?

I have never used “freeped” in the sense of eliminating cookies and then re-voting in a poll. Some freepers do that– just like some voters in federal elections cheat– but that is not what I’d wanted– I’d simply wanted people to vote.

So as you understand it political parties who put on drives to get out the vote are freeping?

If you say anything else about my intentions, you’re are making a slanderous statement. You simply do not care to know what I really meant, you just want to find some way to condemn me.

We’ve already covered the slander thing, it’s not, have you considered using an online reference for your posts? I read what you said, and I know the definition of commonly used words like freep and freeping - connect the dots SUZANNE.

– oh yeah, please quit with the oh woe is me I am being persecuted by the nasty boy from the lower-leftside b/s, nobody buys it.

I would really suggest that you make use of the HTML strike tag and adjust your post accordingly - there are people who do know the meaning of words like freep and freeping who may read your post and get the wrong idea, and that would sully both your good name and the Blogging Tories as a whole, wouldn’t it?

If you won’t think of yourself SUZANNE think of the Tories, my god, will no one think of the Blogging Tories?!?!?!?!