And They’re Proud Of This?
A while back The Beaver (Canada’s History Magazine) ran an online poll for the position of “Worst Canadian”, the Blogging Tories are apparently quite happy about freeping the poll so that Pierre Elliot Trudeau came out as the Canadian choice.
Via Big Blue Wave
Perhaps some of you remember the contest held by The Beaver Magazine for the Worst Canadian.
Well, all that freeping paid off.
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The Blogging Tories collectively deserve a round of thanks for their efforts in this contest.
What…we’re not allowed to vote? We’re not allowed to campaign for our choices?
Freeping doesn’t necessarily involve cheating, as it has been said elsewhere. Forwarding the contest on to acquaintances and suggesting they vote for Trudeau is not cheating. Blogging about the contest and asking that people vote for my choice is not cheating.
I’m proud because we got our guy to be chosen number one, and it shatters the myth that Trudeau was universally loved and no one really questions his beliefs. In the mind of the media, he embodies the quintessential Canadian, but many people disagree with that, and I’m glad we got that point across.
I’m also proud that Henry Morgentaler made it to number 3. I really wasn’t expecting him to poll that high.
That’s why they differentiate between freeping and “voting†- because it’s different.
So SUZANNE admits that this is merely a trick and is not representative of the view of Canadians, as it was supposed to be. Yet she still thinks that it means something. Its no different that ballot-box stuffing or voting more than once. Is that not cheating?
It sure means that that “poll” is useless except to show how bloody immature you guys are.
“it shatters the myth that Trudeau was universally loved “
Which myth is that? No one I know, even the big fans of PET, ever considered him “universally loved”. Jesus, you’d have to be ignorant of the last 47 years of Canadian history to believe that. Nice straw man. And now that you have artificially voted him higher than Paul Bernardo, what does it prove except a bunch of right-wing immature twits have too much time on their hands.
This “poll” means nothing. I only means that you can cheat on a online poll. It in no way represents what Canadians think, only what you thing. That means its NOT TRUE.
You are proud of this? How old are you, 10?
I’m no fan of PET, but he is not more hated than Paul Bernardo by any stretch of the imagination. To think otherwise shows just how deluded and obsessed you really are.
…deluded and obsessed…
Sez it all.
Proud of it? Yeah, they seem to be. Indicative of their contempt for actual public opinion, I suppose.
Unfortunately these little freeping games have pretty much eliminated the very limited validity of online polling. Too bad. Now the only things they measure are the level of organization within a given social or political network. To brag about it is pretty stupid, seems to me. At least she’s changed her line - her initial responses were of the plaintive “well, the LEFTIES do it TOO!” variety, a non-sequitur as exhausted as the phrase “Canada’s Nu Government”.
SUZANNE’S fond delusions aside, these results have nothing to do with reality. Which, from the perspective of SUZANNE and her ilk, is a good thing…since Stephen Harper is more widely loathed than Clifford Olsen.
So SUZANNE admits that this is merely a trick and is not representative of the view of Canadians, as it was supposed to be.
Give me a break. It was a self-selected sample by a magazine with a circulation of 50 000. If you think that method is going to get a representative view of Canadians, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
Which myth is that?
The one that is vehicled in the media especially by the CBC.
Jesus, you’d have to be ignorant of the last 47 years of Canadian history to believe that
I know that. The people who keep pushing Trudeau’s values don’t, or pretend that opposition was marginal.
This “poll†means nothing. I only means that you can cheat on a online poll. It in no way represents what Canadians think, only what you thing. That means its NOT TRUE.
OMG, a self-selected sample doesn’t represent the feelings of Canadians. What next, you’re going to tell me that those online newspaper polls don’t represent the view of Canadians,either.
You are proud of this? How old are you, 10?
Let’s get this straight; you’re upset about a freeped poll with a self-selected sample? And you’re accusing me of immaturity?
Gimme a break.
I’m no fan of PET, but he is not more hated than Paul Bernardo by any stretch of the imagination. To think otherwise shows just how deluded and obsessed you really are.
PET’s actions led to the deaths of 3 million unborn Canadians. That’s way more damage that Paul Bernardo. History is about a collective experience. PET’s legacy has far more repercussions than Paul Bernardo, as evil as he was. The poll wasn’t for the most immoral Canadian, just the worst one.
Unfortunately these little freeping games have pretty much eliminated the very limited validity of online polling.
Eliminated? The nature of online polling is that it never had validity in the first place. If you want a serious online poll, you have to do it like Angus Reid does it.
To brag about it is pretty stupid, seems to me.
Hey, I sent the information to numerous contacts and blogged about it. My work paid off. The guy I dislike was voted Worst Canadian. Darn right I’m proud.
SUZANNE’S fond delusions aside, these results have nothing to do with reality. Which, from the perspective of SUZANNE and her ilk, is a good thing…since Stephen Harper is more widely loathed than Clifford Olsen.
Obviously the lefties were out to freep for Harper. Not to mention Conrad Black.
“Darn right I’m proud.”
Yes, I know. That’s amusing.
I realize that contempt for history - or rather, a willingness to ignore or rewrite to support your argument - is integral to your rhetorical strategies (I particularly enjoyed your imaginary history of currency a couple of months ago…remember that one? Heh.)
However, if you care to do a little actual reading about Trudeau and the left, you’ll find that he was pretty much reviled by the Canadian left following his imposition of the war measures act. Most of the journalists of the day despised his arrogance. He had about two years of popular glory. That was pretty much it.
PET’s actions led to the deaths of 3 million unborn Canadians. That’s way more damage that Paul Bernardo.
Wow, SUZANNE. I’m sure Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy’s parents would be pleased to hear that you hold their daughters in the same regard as something floating around in a petri dish.
Seriously though, and I’m not being a smartass, I sometimes work with polling and research and I’m genuinely curious… what do you guys get out of this freeping? When you freep a poll and the results are skewed, how do you see that as some kind of accomplishment?
Ooh, ooh, let me answer!
They get two things out of it.
Initially they get to boast that their view of “x” has been validated…that despite all the connivance of the evil MSM, the hearts and minds of sensible Canadians is actually On Their Side. (See http://torydrroy.blogspot.com/2007/07/trudeau-and-morgentaler-top-worst.html)
Then, when it becomes clear that the result is a scam, they get to boast about their devilish cleverness, somehow forgetting that they’ve just negated Point One.
Holy cow! That guy’s not really a doctor, is he? If he is, don’t tell me, I don’t want to know.
As far as what they get out of this freeping thing, I concur with your assessment: validation, they’ll take it any way they can get it. But when the only way they can get it is to cheat, how can they really see it as validation? I’m truly curious about this. It defies log— oh. There we go.
Justification for admitted Blogging Tory freeping SUZANNE? Well, as they say, admission of a problem is the first step to addressing it ‘eh?
Although freeping may have started in the conservative arena (for those who don’t know where the term comes from check the Free Republic Wikipedia entry and add 1 and 1 to get 2) let us not forget that it has become an all to common tool of zealots of every political stripe that makes any online poll utterly useless.
The Blogging Tories who engaged in it this time can only take pride in having rendered another poll invalid, and I guess if that’s what floats their collective boats I’d suggest they try and get out more often.
There is no victory in dishonourable actions, either in real life or the blogosphere SUZANNE. You and the Blogging Tories would be better off doing a Kinsella and admitting to temporary stupidity rather than trying to justify that which isn’t justifiable.
It amuses me to no end how so many of the Blogging Tories, most of whom were not even alive when Trudeau was PM, blame him for every so called socialist transgression without even having a kernel of knowledge about what Trudeau did/did not accomplish. The vast majority of our social safety net was in place long before Trudeau and was wholely endorsed by the Conservative PM Diefenbaker before him.
Trudeau endures in the Canadian political landscape because he was probably the most loved and loved to be hated PM in our history. Everyone had an opinion on him which is why the CBC and other media outlets continue to air programs about him. It’s good for ratings.
Beyond repatriation and the Charter, which he accomplished after his first retirement, a leave that was brought about by disdain for him in his own party, Trudeau didn’t do too much. The War Measures Act was a knee jerk reaction and entirely unbelieveable given Trudeau’s self proclaimed civil libertarian background. Amusingly, he is most hated for the National Energy Program, a program which he essentially “borrowed” from the opposition Progressive Conservatives of the day who had been advocating price controls on gasoline.
He gets too much credit for what he didn’t do and is blamed for things that were not on his watch. Freeping a poll to make him the worst canadian ever shows appalling historical ignorance and plain ole stupidity.
One more sample of ideological thought: facts don’t matter unless they support the belief system, and if they contradict the belief system, they have to be ignored, or rewritten.
I really do a get a kick out of these very serious young ideologues somberly explaining “history” to us from their astonishingly uninformed perspective. My favourite was the nonsensical belief, very widely held among those weird bloggers that used to fly a Union Jack on their sites, that before Trudeau, Canada and the US enjoyed a warm and fuzzy relationship (which arch-Commie Trudeau, of course, destroyed). Heh. I’ve often thought of quoting the things that Dief and Kennedy said about each other…but why spoil the fun?
Canadian US relations is great example Balb. How about Linden Johnson grabbing Lester Pearson by the throat and stating “you fucked me on the Auto Pact”. Sounds cozy doesn’t it?
But the opinions you note are created by reading too many blogs and not enough actual history. Critical thinking is dead in the blogosphere. Freeping polls is a great example of pack ideologue foolishness.
“But the opinions you note are created by reading too many blogs and not enough actual history.”
I have to admit that a good chunk of my silence over the last month has been about a growing and increasingly bitter sense of the utter futility of trying to argue with ideologues. There are some utterly impermeable minds out there, and an increasing number of them, it seems, are blogging.
How is it cheating to tell all my conservative friends to vote for Trudeau on this contest? They’re asking for an opinion. They didn’t go house to house, or email address to email address. They didn’t get a sample of any kind. It was in the papers.
The contest asked to pick the worst Canadian. And so we did. That’s it. Did anyone seriously think it was a real poll? Then they’re uninformed. I certainly didn’t think of it as a real poll. TheBeaver.ca must have known this was not a serious poll: they’re educated, right?
Why aren’t the freepers against Harper being taken to task?
“Freep: To slew or cheat an online poll by repeatedly voting (clearing cookies, using proxies) or to make a blog appear to be commented by numerous posters by the same means. (From the practices of the Free Republic or “freepersâ€)
That’s why they differentiate between freeping and “voting†- because it’s different. “
That’s not the sense that I use the word in. To freep simply means to vote massively in a poll or contest. I passed around the information and asked people to vote for Trudeau and Morgentaler. Trudeau got about 2400 votes. That doesn’t sound like there was mass cheating, considering how easy it would have been to cheat.
“Freeping a poll to make him the worst canadian ever shows appalling historical ignorance and plain ole stupidity. “
Not all of us are conservatives in the partisan sense of the word. I don’t consider myself a conservative.
Trudeau legalized abortion. Trudeau alienated the West, Trudeau repatriated the Constitution without getting Quebec to sign. He invoked the War Measures act that caused many innocent people to be jailed. Trudeau built up the debt. Those are all facts of history that motivate people to vote for him as the worst Canadian. You may disagree about the motives for choosing him, but that’s not ignorance of history.
“I really do a get a kick out of these very serious young ideologues somberly explaining “history†to us from their astonishingly uninformed perspective.”
I have a history degree.
“I have a history degree.”
Given the wildly inaccurate theory of monetarism you invented here to defend your argument about usury, I suggest you have just presented a strong argument for a sad decline in academic standards.
SUZANNE, it’s simple. You see absolutely nothing wrong with freeping. That’s fine. We now understand your ethical standards a bit more clearly.
Whooee! The naive folks over at The Beaver set out to get an honest opinion. They weren’t runnin’ a contest to see who’s favourite villain could be the object of a concerted campaign to deliver skewed results. I figger they really thought they would get serious answers from their history buff readership.
The freepers subverted the intent of the innocent but not-too-savvy Beaver publishers.
For that, SUZANNE is proud.
I suggest SUZANNE email the editor of The Beaver and inform them how proud she is that she helped engineer the freeping and helped make meaningless the hours of work that The Beaver staff were paid to create and publish the poll. That’s the way to support private business and an independent Canadian publisher.
Obsessed and deluded, fer sure.
JB
SUZANNE: “I certainly didn’t think of it as a real poll.”
Okay… The results are purposely skewed, so they aren’t real, and anyway the poll itself isn’t real to start with — then what’s the point of the whole exercise? And how can anyone see it as a “victory” of some kind? I’m fascinated. Really.
It’s good to know from Suzanne that Trudeau single-handedly broke the back of this fine country by writing into law that abortion was not a criminal act and women didn’t need to die in back rooms anymore. *And* he alienated the West. (which doesn’t explain all those cartoons from the 1800s on about how the Canadian West saw itself being used by the fat cats down East, but hey, she has a history degree.)
Perhaps Trudeau had super Rasputin powers to get all those minions across the country to go along with him on the evil degeneration of the national morals. Or was Morgentaler the Rasputin, leading his bedevilled acolytes into the halls of the deluded SCOC?
Is it time to ask Suzanne what criminal penalty there should be for women gaining medical abortions in, or out of the country, once she and her cronies redress the evil of Trudeau and re-criminalize the act? Will she demand women produce proof a miscarriage was not a deliberate inducement on the party of the willfully evil fetus carrier? Will unmarried women be required to register all possible fathers of the fetus so the state can go after the responsible male for support? Would she except rape as a reason to force women to carry a fetus to term?
And if Suzanne believes that women shouldn’t be punished for a criminal act she equates to the murder of a ex-vitro actual being, because they’re too emotional to be competent actors in their own lives, she can just sit down and stop speaking. She’s only an emotional, incompetent woman and should leave the actual representing to the men in her life.
The Beaver made one mistake. It didn’t have the budget the CBC did for fraud monitoring its poll for “The Greatest Canadian”. I just want to thank Suzanne and her friends about openly admitting to what they did, because people are always inclined to doubt such rudeness is a deliberate conspiracy unless confessed. I hope they will be as upfront in future, especially about penalties for pregnant women gaining illegal abortions.
The energy being expended on counter-defamation is nearly as amusing and pointless as that which is being countered.
I think what you’re seeing is authentic puzzlement, lrC.
So this freeping you bragged about was just a fanciful lark then?
Sorry SUZANNE, there is no other sense of the word.
Sorry SUZANNE, that is called rallying people to vote or participate, I provided the definition of freeping…. why is it that the Upper-Right-Quadrant feels this need to redefine things? I checked, even the Conservapedia hasn’t gotten around to redefining that one yet so the thread your grasping is more than a little frayed.
Really now, and if you were to put some sort of political label on yourself what would it be then?
Oh don’t be such a kill joy irC. SUZANNE was bragging about freeping a poll and I called her on it - one of the following is happening.
(1) SUZANNE either did, as per her blog, help in the freeping of an online poll, or at the very least supported the freeping of an online poll, and is now trying to distance herself from that action because freeping is cheating and she is worried about her good name being sullied by this, and other blogs, who are calling her, and the Blogging Tories, on said freeping. After all, freepers are sort of Internet low life’s who fall into the same category as script kiddies.
(2) SUZANNE did not help in the freeping of an online poll, but thought that it was really cool that the Blogging Tories did and wanted to be associated with that perceived coolness, but is now backing out of it because, after all, freepers are sort of Internet low life’s who fall into the same category as script kiddies.
(3) SUZANNE didn’t know what freeping was when she made her post and is now (for whatever reason) trying to save some face by trying to invent a different definition of freeping instead of simply stating that she didn’t know.
I’m sort of curious which it is….. come on lrC…. ain’t you just a little bit curious? Even a ‘wee, tiny, little bit?
I’m not puzzled b, somewhat amused about all the back peddling to be sure, but not all that puzzled.
Whooee! That’s some piece o’ rebuttin’, SL. I reckon SUZANNE’s got another bit o’ cyberslang fer her vocabulary: pwned
JB
stageleft: “I’m not puzzled b”
I’m very puzzled, and very curious. I wish SUZANNE would answer my question.
How is causing a non-poll to have non-results a cause for celebration? What do you guys get out of it?
Is it just satisfaction at the visual experience of seeing the names “Trudeau” and “Morgentaler” in the top three underneath the heading “Worst Canadians”? Because if that’s all it is, it would be equally meaningful and a lot less time-consuming to fire up your word processing app and make your own list. Set it as desktop wallpaper.
[...] Unless there was some “freeping” going on. [...]
“How is causing a non-poll to have non-results a cause for celebration? What do you guys get out of it?”
I absolutely guarantee you that you will see this “finding” cited on Blogging Tory sites for years to come. The “truth” of it doesn’t matter: it’s useful.
What ’s funny is that our friends never seem to wonder if, perhaps, there’s something wrong with a perspective that requires that kind of absurd behaviour to support it.
balbulican: “What ’s funny is that our friends never seem to wonder if, perhaps, there’s something wrong with a perspective that requires that kind of absurd behaviour to support it.”
I’d be worried if my beliefs had to be validated by cheating. But that’s just me!
Ah well, thanks for your response balbulican. It doesn’t appear that SUZANNE will be forthcoming with an answer to my question, so I’ll have to use the default answer: “Because they’re dumb as a bag of braindead hammers”.
I am telling you in the way I used the word– to me freeping means mass voting– not necessarily cheating. If you state that I believe freeping means that there is cheating necessarily involved, then you are making a slanderous statement about me. Words on the internet do involve. A troll used to ONLY mean someone who makes inflammatory statements in a group. Now it means any troublesome poster. I don’t know that “Freep” has ever meant anything other than simply voting on Free Dominion. That is the way I’ve used that term and that is the way people in my circle of acquaintances use that word.
I have never used “freeped” in the sense of eliminating cookies and then re-voting in a poll. Some freepers do that– just like some voters in federal elections cheat– but that is not what I’d wanted– I’d simply wanted people to vote.
If you say anything else about my intentions, you’re are making a slanderous statement. You simply do not care to know what I really meant, you just want to find some way to condemn me.
“Is it just satisfaction at the visual experience of seeing the names “Trudeau†and “Morgentaler†in the top three underneath the heading “Worst Canadiansâ€? ”
Yes, it’s the satisfaction of seeing those names as “worst Canadians”, which I and many other people feel is deserved, and to have the liberal MSM have to report it, and for people to know that not everyone worships these two. It’s great for the MSM to wake up to opinions other than left-wing ones.
“Really now, and if you were to put some sort of political label on yourself what would it be then?”
Just social conservative. A right-winger, a right-of-center person, but conservative is not entirely accurate.
As for women and abortion and jailtime: I think that in the beginning women will not see jailtime. But as unborn children are progressively recognized as equal, eventually women will be subject to criminal penalties. Many will escape jailtime because it is the testimony of the women that often leads to the conviction of the abortionist. That is a minority view in the pro-life movement. Many pro-lifers believe women are co-erced into having abortions to begin with. I’d also like to note that very few women ever face jailtime for infanticide in Canada.
Whooee! The victim in this whole sordid affair is –
Read all about the good things this charity does:
http://www.historysociety.ca/abo.asp?subsection=his.
The society’s attempt to measure public opinion on an historical topic has been turned into a laughingstock by meanspirited partisans. These good people didn’t deserve what was done to them.
JB
“I have never used “freeped†in the sense of eliminating cookies and then re-voting in a poll…That is the way I’ve used that term and that is the way people in my circle of acquaintances use that word.”
I like that. Exactly like Bill Clinton redefining “sex”.
‘Yes, it’s the satisfaction of seeing those names as “worst Canadiansâ€, which I and many other people feel is deserved, and to have the liberal MSM have to report it…”
But that’s meaningless, SUZANNE, if the “finding” was the result of organized, mass mobilization of a group to swing the vote
“… and for people to know that not everyone worships these two.”
SUZANNE…I can think of two people in Canada who think that “those two” are “worshipped” by “everyone”. That would be you, and possibly Canadian Sentinel. The rest of us, it seems, are a bit more familiar with history.
See, here’s what’s silly. A bunch of you organized to swing this poll. But you see, you didn’t change anyone’s mind. You changed a number. The folks who hated Trudeau still hate him. The folks who admired him still admire him. What on earth do you imagine you’ve accomplished?
treehugger: “…Amusingly, he is most hated for the National Energy Program, a program which he essentially “borrowed†from the opposition Progressive Conservatives of the day who had been advocating price controls on gasoline…”
Actually, it was Ed Broadbent’s idea, not the PCs.
And yes, I wrote Trudeau in on my vote - he negatively affected far more people than Bernardo or Olsen, and if you count the suicides resulting from the NEP…
[...] I looked up the story, and most of the bloggers I’ve found saw right through the lame, transparent attempt to get free publicity. The paragraph leaves out the paper itself in those it names as having “had fun”. After all, it put the non-story on its front page Tuesday morning, one day after the Beaver issued a press release about it. (Little tip folks: Get something on Canada Newswire that’s not business-related and some paper somewhere will rewrite it into a story to fill space. Don’t bother trying to support your outrageous claims with facts, nobody cares about those.) [...]
And yes, I wrote Trudeau in on my vote - he negatively affected far more people than Bernardo or Olsen, and if you count the suicides resulting from the NEP…
Whooee! Canadace, when you an’ SUZANNE are writin’ yer letters of apology to Canada’s History Society, you better write another one to the French and Mahaffey families. Your comment is a giant slap in the face to real victims.
Here in my neck o’ the woods, we gotta buncha crybaby tobacka farmers threatenin’ to commit suicide if the gummint don’t give in to their blackmail demands of $1 million a-piece to quit growin’ poison. Are you sayin’ Harper’ll be responsible fer them suicides like Troodough is responsible fer oilpatch suicides? First Nations youth are more suicidal than millionaire farmers and out of work oilpatch workers. Their issues transcend every gummint since confederation. Let’s blame Sir John A. fer gettin’ that particular ball rollin’. Sir John A. as worst Canajun? The Queen of Canada as worst Canajun?
JB
A few general comments to keep it all in context.
a) Online polls have no validity. I no more believe that a random sampling of Canadians would name Pierre Trudeau as the “Worst Canadian” than I believe a random sampling of Canadians would name Tommy Douglas as “Greatest Canadian”. What both these polls actually show could more accurately be described as “Icon Most Usefully Glorified/Reviled at This Point In Time By A Partisan, Organized and Web-Savvy Political Coterie”. That’s it, that’s all.
b) As noted above, these things shed no light and change no opinions. To brag about “your side” winning one is infantile, whether among the URQs or the LLQs….they just profide cheap fodder for journalists and bloggers. There is, however, in my opinion, something hypocritical about freeping a poll, bragging about one’s success in doing so, and simultaneously claiming that the results (at least the ones that you like) have some sort of validity.
c) The exercise is rendered even more foolish by the absence of a definition for “worst” “Canadian”.
Some folks obviously interpreted that to mean “most evil human being with a Canadian passport”; some interpreted it to mean “person whose political vision is most at odds with my own.”
d) Candace, I can point to legislation by every Canadian Prime Minister on the books that led to policies that caused death or depression. I think top of the line might be Jean Chretien, whose White Paper paralyzed the development of an alternative approach to Canadian/Aboriginal relations. You could say the same of Mulroney’s NAFTA, or his cancellation of the Trail Radio Program (which led directly to a number of deaths in the northern provinces).
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Those Prime Ministers who act…who actually take giant steps…tend to be more admired AND more reviled than their less interesting predecessors. Trudeau lived a big life, driven by big ideas. You don’t like a lot of them. As it happens, I do. I don’t feel the same revulsion about Mr. Harper because so far he hasn’t actually done anything very significant. But I’ll give him time.
}}}}}} sigh {{{{{{ Three relaxing days in the country by the river and this hasn’t been sorted out yet? For gods sake SUZANNE, do the right thing will you?
Let me explain this to you one more time SUZANNE, freeping is cheating, I’m not sure how much more clear I can make that. How can people use a word that means one thing in a way that means something completely different and hope to make any sense or be understood? You are participating in a written medium, it is therefore exceedingly important that you use words properly - don’t you think? If you used the word freeping to mean mass voting, and you didn’t actually freep, then you used the word incorrectly - for petes sake, get a grip will you.
No (again), I stated the definition of freeping, you said “all the freeping paid off”, and while you’re coming to grips with the definition of common words check out the difference between slander and liable - slander is oral, liable is written, and it doesn’t really matter how you understand that your claim has no legal merit anyway.
And sometimes they even evolve, freeping is such a word. It emerged from the ‘net and evolved to mean a clear set of actions taken by people on the Internet to skew an online poll.
Yes you do know, I gave you the definition of freeping, not an understood definition of freeping, not a cobbled together definition of freeping, but the definition of freeping. Did you mean to use the past tense, as in “I didn’t know that…..”? That written medium thing again ‘eh?
Then you, and your circle of acquaintances are wrong, you should be more careful about using words you don’t know the meaning of…. re-read that part about the written medium OK?
So as you understand it political parties who put on drives to get out the vote are freeping?
We’ve already covered the slander thing, it’s not, have you considered using an online reference for your posts? I read what you said, and I know the definition of commonly used words like freep and freeping - connect the dots SUZANNE.
– oh yeah, please quit with the oh woe is me I am being persecuted by the nasty boy from the lower-leftside b/s, nobody buys it.
I would really suggest that you make use of the HTML
striketag and adjust your post accordingly - there are people who do know the meaning of words like freep and freeping who may read your post and get the wrong idea, and that would sully both your good name and the Blogging Tories as a whole, wouldn’t it?If you won’t think of yourself SUZANNE think of the Tories, my god, will no one think of the Blogging Tories?!?!?!?!
How can people use a word that means one thing in a way that means something completely different and hope to make any sense or be understood?
Fair enough, but my audience consists of people who mostly know me. Words are used in ways at variance with their dictionary meaning all the time. Words that are new and slangy evolve all th time.
For instance, Free Dominion defines Freeping in the following way:
To peacefully but aggressively protest against left wing politicians, ideas and/or organizations.
http://www.freedominion.ca/grig/wmf.htm
Another example of the use of the word ‘freeping’:
If we were going to do some “freeping” for these bills, who, in your opinion, would be our best targets? Let’s get their email/fax info out here and go to it!
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2593&sid=ca2da1ed8e54a77e45762dea2f3f0009
One simple idea, to start, is to simply “Freep” the leftist demonstrators, by positioning ourselves across from them, holding signs of support for our military, and support for the war on terrorism (and support for Israel). A quiet, peaceful, orderly vigil by responsible conservatives would show the contrast between us, “normal Canadians” and the crackpot and traitorous left.
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7803
So as you can see, the meaning of the word “Freep” is not fixed.
but the definition of freeping.
No, there is no “the” definition of freeping– it’s a slang term that is used in a variety of ways. I just proved it.
“Then you, and your circle of acquaintances are wrong, you should be more careful about using words you don’t know the meaning of…. re-read that part about the written medium OK?”
Or maybe you should ask what words means. Because “freep” is a word that is used with different definitions.
– oh yeah, please quit with the oh woe is me I am being persecuted by the nasty boy from the lower-leftside b/s, nobody buys it.
I am telling you what I think. You do not believe me. You have no reason not to believe me when I say that I used the word with a different meaning in mind. Ergo, you are not interested in what I intended to mean.
there are people who do know the meaning of words like freep and freeping who may read your post and get the wrong idea, and that would sully both your good name and the Blogging Tories as a whole, wouldn’t it?
Freep is slang. Slang words are used in a variety of ways. Heck, words in the dictionary evolve. Or are you so rigid that you do not accept that?
And I’m not a Blogging Tory.
The left wants “freep” to mean the worst thing possible. Right-wingers do not all use it in the sense of multiple-voting on online polls.
I’m still waitin’ to here if SUZANNE feels the least little bit bad about the way she and her friends set about to destroy the credibility of a Canadian charity, Canada’s History Society. This charity paid staff wages to create and publicize their poll.
The freepers ruined the charity’s attempt to get anything close to an accurate result. People donate money to this charity to keep it going, SUZANNE. That’s how charities work. You and your kindergarten cohorts owe the Society an apology. You’re nothing more than cyber-vandals painting your partisan graffiti on the Beaver’s website.
Instead of trying to rewrite the English language, try taking responsibility for your own destructive actions. It’s nothing to crow about.
JB
SUZANNE: “Heck, words in the dictionary evolve. Or are you so rigid that you do not accept that?”
Words like, oh, I don’t know… “marriage” and “family”? ;)
SUZANNE, you appear to have missed every point or question raised in objection, except for the word “freep”.
You won’t change many minds that way.
Your audience is potentially everyone in the world with an Internet connection - if you want to use your words improperly then be prepared to deal with the consequences of that with better methods than oh woe is me, I am so misunderstood.
Just a note, using a freepers definition of freeping is much like getting George Bush to define torture, you might want to look a little further afield than that.
You might also want to consider how the Blogging Tories, who you implicated, feel about your use of the term freeping - maybe they did, maybe they didn’t……..
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