They Just Never Learn

Like the meddling neighbour down the street the US is apparently once again trying to make things right, and like that meddling neighbour, all they accomplish is to create more problems.

The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and questionable new secret operation. At a high level, U.S. officials are working with their Turkish counterparts on a joint military operation to suppress Kurdish guerrillas and capture their leaders. Through covert activity, their goal is to forestall Turkey from invading Iraq.

Eye on the ball George, eye on the ball ……. the United States co operating with Turkey in military operations inside Iraq is going to make it far worse for you than any solo Turkish military involvement ever could.

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8 Responses to “They Just Never Learn”

  1. balbulican on July 31st, 2007 at 8:15 am

    The article is an excellent summary of the kind of complexity that seems to completely elude Mr. Bush and his advisers. He really does sincerely appear to sincerely believe that there is only political division in the world – you either like the US or you don’t. This cretinous, cartoonish geopolitical vision, which appears to define US foreign policy under Bush, is simply useless in the face of the Byzantine complexity of centuries-old, multilayer conflict in the middle east, in Afghanistan, between India and Pakistan.

    One wishes that Mr. Bush would simply acknowledge his incomprehension and the utter failure of his “vision”, and join Osama Bin Laden hiding in a cave somewhere until he’s be turfed out of office in disgrace, before he does any more damage. Doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen.

  2. balbulican on July 31st, 2007 at 8:34 am

    I think it must be about time for RJ to come back and tell us how well everything is going, or for lrC to explain how this really is what the Bush Government was aiming for all along.

  3. lrC on July 31st, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    The article is [a] summary of [] complexity that seems {speculation} to [] elude Mr. Bush and his advisers. He [appears] {speculation} to [] believe {imputed motivation} that there is only political division in the world – you either like the US or you don’t {of a false dilemma}. This [] vision, which appears {speculation} to define US foreign policy under Bush, is useless {simplistic assertion} [] in the middle east, in Afghanistan, between India and Pakistan.

    [Balbulican] wishes that Mr. Bush would [concede to Balbulican's assessment] and join Osama Bin Laden hiding in a cave somewhere until he’s be {ebonics} [granting Balbulican's wish], before he does any more [Balbulican's assessments]. Doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen.

    Communications must be the art of making shit up.

  4. balbulican on July 31st, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    I think I found your comments on Stevie Vai a bit more lucid.

  5. Candace on July 31st, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    “The surprising answer was given in secret briefings” – so much for secret. Not, of course, that the secret-breaking-source was ever named.

    Balb & SL, you slam me for unnamed source quotes. Sauce for the goose and all that.

    On topic of the gist of the article, IF it is all true and not a crock, then the situation could be pretty dicey in what has been a relatively quiet end of Iraq. Although why a Turk official would “admit” that Kurdistan could lay claim to a part of Turkey, then the gov’t make noises about a potential invasion with the purpose of what, exactly? … well, maybe western logic can’t apply.

  6. Candace on July 31st, 2007 at 4:31 pm

    PS: If this IS true, and George is okay with the plan, he truly is an idiot IMHO. Although, what’s the alternative? Let Turkey invade?

    I’m glad I can be an armchair critic and not have to come up with a workable plan myself.

  7. balbulican on July 31st, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    “Balb & SL, you slam me for unnamed source quotes….”

    Candace, I think you meant to direct that observation to SL, given that the article you’re referencing is being quoted by him, not me.

    On the broader story, here’s what’s known. (This is not new stuff).

    There is an active Kurdish liberation movement in Turkey and in northern Iraq. You will recall that Saddam destroyed a number of Kurdish villages? That’s why. The primary allegiance of a sector of the Turkish and Iraqi Kurdish population is to a Kurdish homeland.

    Remember how the Taliban were “good guys” as long as they were fighting Russians in Afghanistan? Similarly, the Kurds were “good guys” as long as they were being oppressed by Saddam. Now they’re an incovenience, getting in the way of the fantasy of a united Iraq originally promised by Bush and Co. Like the Taliban, their objectives haven’t changed: but they’re not useful as poster victims any mored.

    Turkey’s government is Islamist, but democratic and moderate, with a lot to gain by collaborating with the West (most notable the EU membership it desperately seeks). And the US desperately needs Turkish support in the region. So suddenly the world is, once again, not the neat little black and white morality play Bush seems to favour.

  8. stageleft on August 1st, 2007 at 5:47 am

    Actually Candace the article notes that the contents of the briefings were secret, the individual who conducted the briefings is named.

    PS: If this IS true, and George is okay with the plan, he truly is an idiot IMHO. Although, what’s the alternative? Let Turkey invade?

    Isn’t that what America did? Bush is an idiot, he had no clue what he was getting into when he invaded and occupied Iraq and now he’s just digging a deeper whole into which others will fall and suffer.

    When did another layer of lies and deception ever correct other sets of lies and deceptions?

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