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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/31/how-surprised-would-you-be/comment-page-1/#comment-120712</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Defence department officials originally denied the documents&quot;

Names or at least ranks/appointments would help, so I could assess whether the &quot;Department&quot; was officially stonewalling or a couple of junior officers or bureaucrats exceeded their authority to say &quot;No&quot; or spoke outside their lane (ie. answered a question about which they didn&#039;t know the facts, when they should&#039;ve just said &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot;).  But it looks sexier as &quot;officials&quot; (plural: two or more) with complete knowledge of the underlying facts speaking for the entire department.

I heed Pugliese&#039;s reportage a little more than Scott Taylor&#039;s - which is to say, not very much - but that&#039;s a personal information filter based on my own knowledge of facts underlying things they&#039;ve reported in the past.  I&#039;d like to know more facts in this case, but I don&#039;t expect to see any.  The paintbrush is probably back in the can awaiting the next broad application.  Since I know from experience the &quot;usual business&quot;, there is a large burden of proof to be overcome before I start believing in foul conspiracies.

&gt;Neocons will always be the same, whether they be Americans or Canadians: shills for authoritarianism.

Surprisingly, DND is not exclusively run by neocons.  And while the CF side requires by default the subordination of one&#039;s personal interests and that lawful authority be respected, many have a healthy disrespect for unethical and immoral &quot;authority&quot;.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;120712&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;120712&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;,&#039;\&quot;Defence department officials originally denied the documents\&quot;\r\n\r\nNames or at least ranks\/appointments would help, so I could assess whether the \&quot;Department\&quot; was officially stonewalling or a couple of junior officers or bureaucrats exceeded their authority to say \&quot;No\&quot; or spoke outside their lane (ie. answered a question about which they didn\&#039;t know the facts, when they should\&#039;ve just said \&quot;I don\&#039;t know\&quot;).  But it looks sexier as \&quot;officials\&quot; (plural: two or more) with complete knowledge of the underlying facts speaking for the entire department.\r\n\r\nI heed Pugliese\&#039;s reportage a little more than Scott Taylor\&#039;s - which is to say, not very much - but that\&#039;s a personal information filter based on my own knowledge of facts underlying things they\&#039;ve reported in the past.  I\&#039;d like to know more facts in this case, but I don\&#039;t expect to see any.  The paintbrush is probably back in the can awaiting the next broad application.  Since I know from experience the \&quot;usual business\&quot;, there is a large burden of proof to be overcome before I start believing in foul conspiracies.\r\n\r\n&gt;Neocons will always be the same, whether they be Americans or Canadians: shills for authoritarianism.\r\n\r\nSurprisingly, DND is not exclusively run by neocons.  And while the CF side requires by default the subordination of one\&#039;s personal interests and that lawful authority be respected, many have a healthy disrespect for unethical and immoral \&quot;authority\&quot;.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Defence department officials originally denied the documents&#8221;</p>
<p>Names or at least ranks/appointments would help, so I could assess whether the &#8220;Department&#8221; was officially stonewalling or a couple of junior officers or bureaucrats exceeded their authority to say &#8220;No&#8221; or spoke outside their lane (ie. answered a question about which they didn&#8217;t know the facts, when they should&#8217;ve just said &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221;).  But it looks sexier as &#8220;officials&#8221; (plural: two or more) with complete knowledge of the underlying facts speaking for the entire department.</p>
<p>I heed Pugliese&#8217;s reportage a little more than Scott Taylor&#8217;s &#8211; which is to say, not very much &#8211; but that&#8217;s a personal information filter based on my own knowledge of facts underlying things they&#8217;ve reported in the past.  I&#8217;d like to know more facts in this case, but I don&#8217;t expect to see any.  The paintbrush is probably back in the can awaiting the next broad application.  Since I know from experience the &#8220;usual business&#8221;, there is a large burden of proof to be overcome before I start believing in foul conspiracies.</p>
<p>&gt;Neocons will always be the same, whether they be Americans or Canadians: shills for authoritarianism.</p>
<p>Surprisingly, DND is not exclusively run by neocons.  And while the CF side requires by default the subordination of one&#8217;s personal interests and that lawful authority be respected, many have a healthy disrespect for unethical and immoral &#8220;authority&#8221;.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('120712','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('120712','lrC','\&quot;Defence department officials originally denied the documents\&quot;\r\n\r\nNames or at least ranks\/appointments would help, so I could assess whether the \&quot;Department\&quot; was officially stonewalling or a couple of junior officers or bureaucrats exceeded their authority to say \&quot;No\&quot; or spoke outside their lane (ie. answered a question about which they didn\'t know the facts, when they should\'ve just said \&quot;I don\'t know\&quot;).  But it looks sexier as \&quot;officials\&quot; (plural: two or more) with complete knowledge of the underlying facts speaking for the entire department.\r\n\r\nI heed Pugliese\'s reportage a little more than Scott Taylor\'s - which is to say, not very much - but that\'s a personal information filter based on my own knowledge of facts underlying things they\'ve reported in the past.  I\'d like to know more facts in this case, but I don\'t expect to see any.  The paintbrush is probably back in the can awaiting the next broad application.  Since I know from experience the \&quot;usual business\&quot;, there is a large burden of proof to be overcome before I start believing in foul conspiracies.\r\n\r\n&amp;gt;Neocons will always be the same, whether they be Americans or Canadians: shills for authoritarianism.\r\n\r\nSurprisingly, DND is not exclusively run by neocons.  And while the CF side requires by default the subordination of one\'s personal interests and that lawful authority be respected, many have a healthy disrespect for unethical and immoral \&quot;authority\&quot;.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: This Is Why &#8230; &#171; Suzie-Q</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/31/how-surprised-would-you-be/comment-page-1/#comment-120687</link>
		<dc:creator>This Is Why &#8230; &#171; Suzie-Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update: 08/03/2007 &#8211; Two recent examples which illustrate my claim &#8220;This is why we are the real problem of terrorism&#8221; &#8211; incidentally, these two examples come from my own country, Canada. First, a QuÃƒÂ©bec municipality was told by Canadian police and the US Army that it cannot rent out its own buildings for a public meeting involving a panel of writers, academics and parliamentarians to share their concerns about the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, because it will lie within an established 25 km security perimeter centered where official meetings on the SPPNA will be occuring. Oh, and officials of said municipality have also been barred from discussing this anymore. Second, did you know that the Canadian military spies on Canadians who speak out against the war? Not suprisingly, they try to cover up such dubious activities &#8211; all in the name of security, I suppose. See? We Canadians are now no more different than our American and British friends &#8211; all of us are now united by fear-driven authoritarianism. But hey &#8211; as long as we feel safe and blahblahblahblah &#8230; [...]
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('120687','This Is Why &amp;#8230; &amp;laquo; Suzie-Q'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('120687','This Is Why &amp;#8230; &amp;laquo; Suzie-Q','&amp;#91;...&amp;#93; Update: 08\/03\/2007 - Two recent examples which illustrate my claim &amp;#8220;This is why we are the real problem of terrorism&amp;#8221; - incidentally, these two examples come from my own country, Canada. First, a Qu&Atilde;ƒ&Acirc;&copy;bec municipality was told by Canadian police and the US Army that it cannot rent out its own buildings for a public meeting involving a panel of writers, academics and parliamentarians to share their concerns about the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, because it will lie within an established 25 km security perimeter centered where official meetings on the SPPNA will be occuring. Oh, and officials of said municipality have also been barred from discussing this anymore. Second, did you know that the Canadian military spies on Canadians who speak out against the war? Not suprisingly, they try to cover up such dubious activities - all in the name of security, I suppose. See? We Canadians are now no more different than our American and British friends - all of us are now united by fear-driven authoritarianism. But hey - as long as we feel safe and blahblahblahblah &amp;#8230; &amp;#91;...&amp;#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mentarch</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/31/how-surprised-would-you-be/comment-page-1/#comment-120629</link>
		<dc:creator>Mentarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocons will always be the same, whether they be Americans or Canadians: shills for authoritarianism.

They want, they *need*, their Daddy State.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;120629&#039;,&#039;Mentarch&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;120629&#039;,&#039;Mentarch&#039;,&#039;Neocons will always be the same, whether they be Americans or Canadians: shills for authoritarianism.\r\n\r\nThey want, they *need*, their Daddy State.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocons will always be the same, whether they be Americans or Canadians: shills for authoritarianism.</p>
<p>They want, they *need*, their Daddy State.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('120629','Mentarch'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('120629','Mentarch','Neocons will always be the same, whether they be Americans or Canadians: shills for authoritarianism.\r\n\r\nThey want, they *need*, their Daddy State.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
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		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I don&#039;t think that it is as unremarkable as you are trying to portray it lrC.

I could probably get on side with your comments if DND had not lied about keeping a file on Staples - now that I think about it, your reasonable explanation about an apparently mundane thing neglected to mention that.

Shall I guess that the officials didn&#039;t know?  That they answered without checking? Or maybe that it just slipped their minds?

That government clamping down on access to information bothers me as well, shall I take a guess at national security?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;120568&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;120568&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;And I don\&#039;t think that it is as unremarkable as you are trying to portray it lrC.\r\n\r\nI could probably get on side with your comments if DND had not lied about keeping a file on Staples - now that I think about it, your reasonable explanation about an apparently mundane thing neglected to mention that.\r\n\r\nShall I guess that the officials didn\&#039;t know?  That they answered without checking? Or maybe that it just slipped their minds?\r\n\r\nThat government clamping down on access to information bothers me as well, shall I take a guess at national security?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I don&#8217;t think that it is as unremarkable as you are trying to portray it lrC.</p>
<p>I could probably get on side with your comments if DND had not lied about keeping a file on Staples &#8211; now that I think about it, your reasonable explanation about an apparently mundane thing neglected to mention that.</p>
<p>Shall I guess that the officials didn&#8217;t know?  That they answered without checking? Or maybe that it just slipped their minds?</p>
<p>That government clamping down on access to information bothers me as well, shall I take a guess at national security?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('120568','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('120568','stageleft','And I don\'t think that it is as unremarkable as you are trying to portray it lrC.\r\n\r\nI could probably get on side with your comments if DND had not lied about keeping a file on Staples - now that I think about it, your reasonable explanation about an apparently mundane thing neglected to mention that.\r\n\r\nShall I guess that the officials didn\'t know?  That they answered without checking? Or maybe that it just slipped their minds?\r\n\r\nThat government clamping down on access to information bothers me as well, shall I take a guess at national security?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/31/how-surprised-would-you-be/comment-page-1/#comment-120558</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spying&quot; is an odd term to describe the process of gathering a person&#039;s published work and public comments in the public domain.  At any particular time, the Public Affairs branch of the CF is responsible to know what is being written and said about the CF and to advise commanders (hint: senior officers) whose areas of responsibility have been subjects of commentary what the general messages are, what part of it is misinformation, and what the rebuttals to misinformation are in order to be prepared for requests for interview.  All of it is entirely usual business.

Another tempest in a teapot.  Where did all the mature and rational people go?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;120558&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;120558&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;,&#039;\&quot;Spying\&quot; is an odd term to describe the process of gathering a person\&#039;s published work and public comments in the public domain.  At any particular time, the Public Affairs branch of the CF is responsible to know what is being written and said about the CF and to advise commanders (hint: senior officers) whose areas of responsibility have been subjects of commentary what the general messages are, what part of it is misinformation, and what the rebuttals to misinformation are in order to be prepared for requests for interview.  All of it is entirely usual business.\r\n\r\nAnother tempest in a teapot.  Where did all the mature and rational people go?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spying&#8221; is an odd term to describe the process of gathering a person&#8217;s published work and public comments in the public domain.  At any particular time, the Public Affairs branch of the CF is responsible to know what is being written and said about the CF and to advise commanders (hint: senior officers) whose areas of responsibility have been subjects of commentary what the general messages are, what part of it is misinformation, and what the rebuttals to misinformation are in order to be prepared for requests for interview.  All of it is entirely usual business.</p>
<p>Another tempest in a teapot.  Where did all the mature and rational people go?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('120558','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('120558','lrC','\&quot;Spying\&quot; is an odd term to describe the process of gathering a person\'s published work and public comments in the public domain.  At any particular time, the Public Affairs branch of the CF is responsible to know what is being written and said about the CF and to advise commanders (hint: senior officers) whose areas of responsibility have been subjects of commentary what the general messages are, what part of it is misinformation, and what the rebuttals to misinformation are in order to be prepared for requests for interview.  All of it is entirely usual business.\r\n\r\nAnother tempest in a teapot.  Where did all the mature and rational people go?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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