Comments on: Al Qaeda cooks and eats Elvis by the light of a UFO http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:32:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Chet Scoville http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-120880 Chet Scoville Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:38:14 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-120880 This is just the latest version of the Blood Libel, which was used against Jews in the Middle Ages. "They eat babies" is the oldest slander in the book. It should be ignored. It has <i>never</i> turned out to be true about anyone it has been said about.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('120880','Chet Scoville'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('120880','Chet Scoville','This is just the latest version of the Blood Libel, which was used against Jews in the Middle Ages. \"They eat babies\" is the oldest slander in the book. It should be ignored. It has <i>never<\/i> turned out to be true about anyone it has been said about.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This is just the latest version of the Blood Libel, which was used against Jews in the Middle Ages. “They eat babies” is the oldest slander in the book. It should be ignored. It has never turned out to be true about anyone it has been said about.
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]]> By: Arwen http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119480 Arwen Sat, 21 Jul 2007 05:01:31 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119480 <i>i still have little doubt as to the validity of the story... there are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people, there is no reason to believe they would not stoop to this.</i> Oooh! Exciting! Actually an ad hominem logical fallacy, as opposed to an insult being called an ad hominem! Small things make me happy.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119480','Arwen'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119480','Arwen','<i>i still have little doubt as to the validity of the story... there are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people, there is no reason to believe they would not stoop to this.<\/i>\r\n\r\nOooh! Exciting! Actually an ad hominem logical fallacy, as opposed to an insult being called an ad hominem!\r\n\r\nSmall things make me happy.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> i still have little doubt as to the validity of the story… there are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people, there is no reason to believe they would not stoop to this.

Oooh! Exciting! Actually an ad hominem logical fallacy, as opposed to an insult being called an ad hominem!

Small things make me happy.

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]]> By: JimBobby http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119424 JimBobby Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:43:45 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119424 Whooee! Back when them leftists at Radio-Canada (the parlay-voo wing of them radical lefty anarchists at CBC) was exposin' the rotten Liberall adscammin' crooks, was anybuddy complainin' the lefty press was pickin' on the pore ol' Liberals? If it weren't fer the dang red commie press, we'd be hearin' about these here half-baked baby stories on the front page every day. It ain't like substantiated stories of horrific deeds don't sell papers. The Murdochs and Aspers oughta fire all them reds an' get somebody puttin' baked alQaeda on the front page with Bigfoot an' Nessie an' OgoPogo an' all them other things the lefty's been hidin'. JB<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119424','JimBobby'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119424','JimBobby','Whooee! Back when them leftists at Radio-Canada (the parlay-voo wing of them radical lefty anarchists at CBC) was exposin\' the rotten Liberall adscammin\' crooks, was anybuddy complainin\' the lefty press was pickin\' on the pore ol\' Liberals?\r\n\r\nIf it weren\'t fer the dang red commie press, we\'d be hearin\' about these here half-baked baby stories on the front page every day. It ain\'t like substantiated stories of horrific deeds don\'t sell papers. The Murdochs and Aspers oughta fire all them reds an\' get somebody puttin\' baked alQaeda on the front page with Bigfoot an\' Nessie an\' OgoPogo an\' all them other things the lefty\'s been hidin\'.\r\n\r\nJB'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Whooee! Back when them leftists at Radio-Canada (the parlay-voo wing of them radical lefty anarchists at CBC) was exposin’ the rotten Liberall adscammin’ crooks, was anybuddy complainin’ the lefty press was pickin’ on the pore ol’ Liberals?

If it weren’t fer the dang red commie press, we’d be hearin’ about these here half-baked baby stories on the front page every day. It ain’t like substantiated stories of horrific deeds don’t sell papers. The Murdochs and Aspers oughta fire all them reds an’ get somebody puttin’ baked alQaeda on the front page with Bigfoot an’ Nessie an’ OgoPogo an’ all them other things the lefty’s been hidin’.

JB

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]]> By: JonZor http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119398 JonZor Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:10:44 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119398 I think there is an "Upper" bias in the MSM, which Balb alluded to. Whether its government control or corporate control, there's a definite centralization of power in the MSM, meaning there's fewer honest, different opinions flying around, just more people rehashing the same shit, cause that's what they get fed from their bosses. And this is what "we", on both sides of the Great Divide, should be afraid of.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119398','JonZor'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119398','JonZor','I think there is an \"Upper\" bias in the MSM, which Balb alluded to. Whether its government control or corporate control, there\'s a definite centralization of power in the MSM, meaning there\'s fewer honest, different opinions flying around, just more people rehashing the same shit, cause that\'s what they get fed from their bosses.\r\n\r\nAnd this is what \"we\", on both sides of the Great Divide, should be afraid of.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think there is an “Upper” bias in the MSM, which Balb alluded to. Whether its government control or corporate control, there’s a definite centralization of power in the MSM, meaning there’s fewer honest, different opinions flying around, just more people rehashing the same shit, cause that’s what they get fed from their bosses.

And this is what “we”, on both sides of the Great Divide, should be afraid of.

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]]> By: stageleft http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119397 stageleft Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:55:14 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119397 There are also plenty of horrific acts committed by US and British forces in Iraq horseysnort, does this mean we should believe every story about atrocities that gets published on any blog in the world?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119397','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119397','stageleft','There are also plenty of horrific acts committed by US and British forces in Iraq horseysnort, does this mean we should believe every story about atrocities that gets published on any blog in the world?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> There are also plenty of horrific acts committed by US and British forces in Iraq horseysnort, does this mean we should believe every story about atrocities that gets published on any blog in the world?
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]]> By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119396 balbulican Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:53:53 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119396 I think JonZor has it right. I spend about half of any given read through the Globe and Mail or CBC newscast shaking my head at the subtle right wing bias, and the rest nodding because "they got it right" (which, of course, means the reporter is reflecting MY biased view of reality). What that tells me is that they're probably pretty balanced. That doesn't mean that every story is "neutral"...as long as editors and journalists have to choose verbs or omit facts, there will be selection, and therefore bias. But it does mean that the "trying to be neutral but reflecting an URQ bias" and the "trying to be neutral but reflecting an ULQ bias" are tending to balance each other when the media outlet is viewed as a whole, over time.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119396','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119396','balbulican','I think JonZor has it right. I spend about half of any given read through the Globe and Mail or CBC newscast shaking my head at the subtle right wing bias, and the rest nodding because \"they got it right\" (which, of course, means the reporter is reflecting MY biased view of reality). What that tells me is that they\'re probably pretty balanced. That doesn\'t mean that every story is \"neutral\"...as long as editors and journalists have to choose verbs or omit facts, there will be selection, and therefore bias. But it does mean that the \"trying to be neutral but reflecting an URQ bias\" and the \"trying to be neutral but reflecting an ULQ bias\" are tending to balance each other when the media outlet is viewed as a whole, over time.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think JonZor has it right. I spend about half of any given read through the Globe and Mail or CBC newscast shaking my head at the subtle right wing bias, and the rest nodding because “they got it right” (which, of course, means the reporter is reflecting MY biased view of reality). What that tells me is that they’re probably pretty balanced. That doesn’t mean that every story is “neutral”…as long as editors and journalists have to choose verbs or omit facts, there will be selection, and therefore bias. But it does mean that the “trying to be neutral but reflecting an URQ bias” and the “trying to be neutral but reflecting an ULQ bias” are tending to balance each other when the media outlet is viewed as a whole, over time.
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]]> By: JonZor http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119394 JonZor Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:45:14 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119394 You see, Horseysnort, many of us on the "left" feel that the MS has a decidely right-wing bias. Seeing as how your saying right-wingers think the MSM is too left, well, hell, maybe they're actually doing their job right. As to your willingness to believe this story because "there are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people," you know you'd be up in arms if I said I heard from my aunt's friend's former roomate's dog that Rush Limbaugh eats babies for my lack of journalistic integrity. My friend, you believe it cause you WANT to believe, not cause you give a damn about journalistic integrity.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119394','JonZor'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119394','JonZor','You see, Horseysnort, many of us on the \"left\" feel that the MS has a decidely right-wing bias. Seeing as how your saying right-wingers think the MSM is too left, well, hell, maybe they\'re actually doing their job right.\r\n\r\nAs to your willingness to believe this story because \"there are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people,\" you know you\'d be up in arms if I said I heard from my aunt\'s friend\'s former roomate\'s dog that Rush Limbaugh eats babies for my lack of journalistic integrity. My friend, you believe it cause you WANT to believe, not cause you give a damn about journalistic integrity.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> You see, Horseysnort, many of us on the “left” feel that the MS has a decidely right-wing bias. Seeing as how your saying right-wingers think the MSM is too left, well, hell, maybe they’re actually doing their job right.

As to your willingness to believe this story because “there are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people,” you know you’d be up in arms if I said I heard from my aunt’s friend’s former roomate’s dog that Rush Limbaugh eats babies for my lack of journalistic integrity. My friend, you believe it cause you WANT to believe, not cause you give a damn about journalistic integrity.

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]]> By: THrobbin http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119393 THrobbin Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:38:47 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119393 Horseysnort has a real problem with the "Factinista" as Colbert put it.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119393','THrobbin'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119393','THrobbin','Horseysnort has a real problem with the \"Factinista\" as Colbert put it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Horseysnort has a real problem with the “Factinista” as Colbert put it.
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]]> By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119390 balbulican Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:01:37 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119390 "as for journalistic standards there is no longer any such thing virtually anywhere as most of the media has a decidedly left slant these days." We disagree, I fear.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119390','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119390','balbulican','\"as for journalistic standards there is no longer any such thing virtually anywhere as most of the media has a decidedly left slant these days.\"\r\n\r\nWe disagree, I fear.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> “as for journalistic standards there is no longer any such thing virtually anywhere as most of the media has a decidedly left slant these days.”

We disagree, I fear.

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]]> By: horseysnort http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119385 horseysnort Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:10:47 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119385 im not particulary a supporter of the war. at least as its being waged presently but thats another topic, as for journalistic standards there is no longer any such thing virtually anywhere as most of the media has a decidedly left slant these days. its all agenda driven these days, its rare to see any unbiased reporting anywhere. but as for your opinion of the story, you may be right and you may be wrong . it wont matter much because in a few days as al Qaeda is bound to do something that can be proven<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119385','horseysnort'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119385','horseysnort','im not particulary a supporter of the war. at least as its being waged presently but thats another topic, as for journalistic standards there is no longer any such thing virtually anywhere as most of the media has a decidedly left slant these days. its all agenda driven these days, its rare to see any unbiased reporting anywhere. \r\nbut as for your opinion of the story, you may be right and you may be wrong .\r\nit wont matter much because in a few days as al Qaeda is bound to do something that can be proven'); return false;">Quote</a></div> im not particulary a supporter of the war. at least as its being waged presently but thats another topic, as for journalistic standards there is no longer any such thing virtually anywhere as most of the media has a decidedly left slant these days. its all agenda driven these days, its rare to see any unbiased reporting anywhere.
but as for your opinion of the story, you may be right and you may be wrong .
it wont matter much because in a few days as al Qaeda is bound to do something that can be proven
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]]> By: balbulican http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119382 balbulican Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:42:26 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119382 Sorry, horseysnort. There is one unsourced fourth-hand claim, no evidence, and a narrative pattern typical of urban-myth/atrocity legend. You may accept this as fact as you wish, which underscores my point - that supporters of the war tend to suspend their critical standards about reportage and journalism when the story supports their personal views and beliefs.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119382','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119382','balbulican','Sorry, horseysnort. There is one unsourced fourth-hand claim, no evidence, and a narrative pattern typical of urban-myth\/atrocity legend. \r\n\r\nYou may accept this as fact as you wish, which underscores my point - that supporters of the war tend to suspend their critical standards about reportage and journalism when the story supports their personal views and beliefs.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Sorry, horseysnort. There is one unsourced fourth-hand claim, no evidence, and a narrative pattern typical of urban-myth/atrocity legend.

You may accept this as fact as you wish, which underscores my point – that supporters of the war tend to suspend their critical standards about reportage and journalism when the story supports their personal views and beliefs.

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]]> By: horseysnort http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119381 horseysnort Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:23:29 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119381 i think your missing the point, they were not to actually eat them it was to scare them into submission, while i can see your point about the lack of the source identity as the source is unnamed, i still have little doubt as to the validity of the story. there are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people there is no reason to believe they would not stoop to this. there is simply not a good reason for the creation of an urban myth as theses people commit sufficent acts of brutality almost daily to keep one in material.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119381','horseysnort'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119381','horseysnort','i think your missing the point, they were not to actually eat them it was to scare them into submission, while i can see your point about the lack of the source identity as the source is unnamed, i still have little doubt as to the validity of the story.\r\nthere are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people there is no reason to believe they would not stoop to this.\r\nthere is simply not a good reason for the creation of an urban myth as theses people commit sufficent acts of brutality almost daily to keep one in material.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> i think your missing the point, they were not to actually eat them it was to scare them into submission, while i can see your point about the lack of the source identity as the source is unnamed, i still have little doubt as to the validity of the story.
there are plenty of instances of substantiated random horrific acts commited by these people there is no reason to believe they would not stoop to this.
there is simply not a good reason for the creation of an urban myth as theses people commit sufficent acts of brutality almost daily to keep one in material.
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]]> By: JimBobby http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/comment-page-1/#comment-119379 JimBobby Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:09:38 +0000 http://www.stageleft.info/2007/07/19/al-qaeda-cooks-and-eats-elvis-by-the-light-of-a-ufo/#comment-119379 Whooee! First time I heard a variation on that theme was 1969. Back then, it was drugged-out hippie babysitters who baked the baby just in time fer when the parents came home. My future ex-mother-in-law related it as a true tale that happened to a friend of a friend. My future ex-mother-in-law was an intelligent, well-informed, university graduate. I ain't sure when/if she ever found out this was an urban myth. JB<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('119379','JimBobby'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('119379','JimBobby','Whooee! First time I heard a variation on that theme was 1969. Back then, it was drugged-out hippie babysitters who baked the baby just in time fer when the parents came home. \r\n\r\nMy future ex-mother-in-law related it as a true tale that happened to a friend of a friend. My future ex-mother-in-law was an intelligent, well-informed, university graduate. I ain\'t sure when\/if she ever found out this was an urban myth. \r\n\r\nJB'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Whooee! First time I heard a variation on that theme was 1969. Back then, it was drugged-out hippie babysitters who baked the baby just in time fer when the parents came home.

My future ex-mother-in-law related it as a true tale that happened to a friend of a friend. My future ex-mother-in-law was an intelligent, well-informed, university graduate. I ain’t sure when/if she ever found out this was an urban myth.

JB

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