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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-118003</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, everything on the constitution except for that 3/5ths of a person rule, of course&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;118003&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;118003&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;,&#039;well, everything on the constitution except for that 3\/5ths of a person rule, of course&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, everything on the constitution except for that 3/5ths of a person rule, of course
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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117978</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On that particular scale, I tend to usually be towards the very low end of things.  Usually, I sometimes score slightly left of center or slightly right of center.

On the Nolan Chart, I tend to be on the border of Libertarian and Liberal.

In other words, I support everything from the Constitution, as well as the ideas of the founding fathers, but especially Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, as well as their influences like John Locke.

I also look at their philisophical descendents, such as Mikhail Bakunin, Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Noam Chomsky, Ludwig Von Mises, etc.  I can get along with both the libertarian left and the libertarian right, because they do not force their ideas on people.  It is the pro-authority types that piss me off.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117978&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117978&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;,&#039;On that particular scale, I tend to usually be towards the very low end of things.  Usually, I sometimes score slightly left of center or slightly right of center.\r\n\r\nOn the Nolan Chart, I tend to be on the border of Libertarian and Liberal.\r\n\r\nIn other words, I support everything from the Constitution, as well as the ideas of the founding fathers, but especially Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, as well as their influences like John Locke.\r\n\r\nI also look at their philisophical descendents, such as Mikhail Bakunin, Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Noam Chomsky, Ludwig Von Mises, etc.  I can get along with both the libertarian left and the libertarian right, because they do not force their ideas on people.  It is the pro-authority types that piss me off.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On that particular scale, I tend to usually be towards the very low end of things.  Usually, I sometimes score slightly left of center or slightly right of center.</p>
<p>On the Nolan Chart, I tend to be on the border of Libertarian and Liberal.</p>
<p>In other words, I support everything from the Constitution, as well as the ideas of the founding fathers, but especially Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, as well as their influences like John Locke.</p>
<p>I also look at their philisophical descendents, such as Mikhail Bakunin, Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Noam Chomsky, Ludwig Von Mises, etc.  I can get along with both the libertarian left and the libertarian right, because they do not force their ideas on people.  It is the pro-authority types that piss me off.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117978','mad dog'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117978','mad dog','On that particular scale, I tend to usually be towards the very low end of things.  Usually, I sometimes score slightly left of center or slightly right of center.\r\n\r\nOn the Nolan Chart, I tend to be on the border of Libertarian and Liberal.\r\n\r\nIn other words, I support everything from the Constitution, as well as the ideas of the founding fathers, but especially Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, as well as their influences like John Locke.\r\n\r\nI also look at their philisophical descendents, such as Mikhail Bakunin, Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, Noam Chomsky, Ludwig Von Mises, etc.  I can get along with both the libertarian left and the libertarian right, because they do not force their ideas on people.  It is the pro-authority types that piss me off.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117969</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for the delayed reply mad dog, I&#039;ve been out of town for a week and am still in catch up mode.

The terms liberal and conservative, left and right, and I suppose to a large degree progressive are, IMO, functionally useless in describing an individuals political views and/or philosophy.

I am on the Progressive Bloggers role because I do not fit in with the Conservatives or conservatives, the Liberals or the liberals, the NDP, or the Greens - the PB, and Blogging Alliance of Non Partisan Canadians, blog rolls provide linkage to a wider audience that is (at least theoretically) non-partisan in nature. That is important because I firmly believe that the party system we are suffering under is a greater problem than solution.

I am not married to either of the blog rolls, or how they describe themselves. If I see (as in Rachels case) what I believe to be wrong I am under no compulsion to go easy or tread lightly because I happen to be blog roll mates with the individual - indeed, were that the case I would be on neither list within seconds of being told that I should .

If you are looking for me on a left/right political line I really don&#039;t know where I would fit in, somewhere to the left of centre, but that&#039;s not very useful when the centre keeps redefining itself depending on which self-described left of centre / right of centre political party happens to be in power is it? 

And being linear in nature the generally accepted political spectrum doesn&#039;t deal at all with authoritarian issues which, I believe, are just as important as the (possibly) once descriptive left/right labels.

Hitler was a rightie, Stalin was a leftie - without adding into the equation that both were very authoritarian you end up lumping Hitler and Harper into the same group labeled &quot;rightie&quot; don&#039;t you?

-- not very useful at all.

A better place to look for me would be on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politicalcompass.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;political quadrant&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;m in the lower left corner. A non-authoritarian with socialist tendencies? A minarchist? A Libertarian with a social conscience? Somebody who thinks we should look after the disadvantaged, the helpless, and the needy, without the necessity of government regulating who falls into those categories and how they should be helped?

If you find a label that describes that philosophy let me know.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117969&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117969&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;Apologies for the delayed reply mad dog, I\&#039;ve been out of town for a week and am still in catch up mode.\r\n\r\nThe terms liberal and conservative, left and right, and I suppose to a large degree progressive are, IMO, functionally useless in describing an individuals political views and\/or philosophy.\r\n\r\nI am on the Progressive Bloggers role because I do not fit in with the Conservatives or conservatives, the Liberals or the liberals, the NDP, or the Greens - the PB, and Blogging Alliance of Non Partisan Canadians, blog rolls provide linkage to a wider audience that is (at least theoretically) non-partisan in nature. That is important because I firmly believe that the party system we are suffering under is a greater problem than solution.\r\n\r\nI am not married to either of the blog rolls, or how they describe themselves. If I see (as in Rachels case) what I believe to be wrong I am under no compulsion to go easy or tread lightly because I happen to be blog roll mates with the individual - indeed, were that the case I would be on neither list within seconds of being told that I should .\r\n\r\nIf you are looking for me on a left\/right political line I really don\&#039;t know where I would fit in, somewhere to the left of centre, but that\&#039;s not very useful when the centre keeps redefining itself depending on which self-described left of centre \/ right of centre political party happens to be in power is it? \r\n\r\nAnd being linear in nature the generally accepted political spectrum doesn\&#039;t deal at all with authoritarian issues which, I believe, are just as important as the (possibly) once descriptive left\/right labels.\r\n\r\nHitler was a rightie, Stalin was a leftie - without adding into the equation that both were very authoritarian you end up lumping Hitler and Harper into the same group labeled \&quot;rightie\&quot; don\&#039;t you?\r\n\r\n-- not very useful at all.\r\n\r\nA better place to look for me would be on the &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.politicalcompass.org\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;political quadrant&lt;\/a&gt;, I\&#039;m in the lower left corner. A non-authoritarian with socialist tendencies? A minarchist? A Libertarian with a social conscience? Somebody who thinks we should look after the disadvantaged, the helpless, and the needy, without the necessity of government regulating who falls into those categories and how they should be helped?\r\n\r\nIf you find a label that describes that philosophy let me know.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for the delayed reply mad dog, I&#8217;ve been out of town for a week and am still in catch up mode.</p>
<p>The terms liberal and conservative, left and right, and I suppose to a large degree progressive are, IMO, functionally useless in describing an individuals political views and/or philosophy.</p>
<p>I am on the Progressive Bloggers role because I do not fit in with the Conservatives or conservatives, the Liberals or the liberals, the NDP, or the Greens &#8211; the PB, and Blogging Alliance of Non Partisan Canadians, blog rolls provide linkage to a wider audience that is (at least theoretically) non-partisan in nature. That is important because I firmly believe that the party system we are suffering under is a greater problem than solution.</p>
<p>I am not married to either of the blog rolls, or how they describe themselves. If I see (as in Rachels case) what I believe to be wrong I am under no compulsion to go easy or tread lightly because I happen to be blog roll mates with the individual &#8211; indeed, were that the case I would be on neither list within seconds of being told that I should .</p>
<p>If you are looking for me on a left/right political line I really don&#8217;t know where I would fit in, somewhere to the left of centre, but that&#8217;s not very useful when the centre keeps redefining itself depending on which self-described left of centre / right of centre political party happens to be in power is it? </p>
<p>And being linear in nature the generally accepted political spectrum doesn&#8217;t deal at all with authoritarian issues which, I believe, are just as important as the (possibly) once descriptive left/right labels.</p>
<p>Hitler was a rightie, Stalin was a leftie &#8211; without adding into the equation that both were very authoritarian you end up lumping Hitler and Harper into the same group labeled &#8220;rightie&#8221; don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>&#8211; not very useful at all.</p>
<p>A better place to look for me would be on the <a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org/" rel="nofollow">political quadrant</a>, I&#8217;m in the lower left corner. A non-authoritarian with socialist tendencies? A minarchist? A Libertarian with a social conscience? Somebody who thinks we should look after the disadvantaged, the helpless, and the needy, without the necessity of government regulating who falls into those categories and how they should be helped?</p>
<p>If you find a label that describes that philosophy let me know.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117969','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117969','stageleft','Apologies for the delayed reply mad dog, I\'ve been out of town for a week and am still in catch up mode.\r\n\r\nThe terms liberal and conservative, left and right, and I suppose to a large degree progressive are, IMO, functionally useless in describing an individuals political views and\/or philosophy.\r\n\r\nI am on the Progressive Bloggers role because I do not fit in with the Conservatives or conservatives, the Liberals or the liberals, the NDP, or the Greens - the PB, and Blogging Alliance of Non Partisan Canadians, blog rolls provide linkage to a wider audience that is (at least theoretically) non-partisan in nature. That is important because I firmly believe that the party system we are suffering under is a greater problem than solution.\r\n\r\nI am not married to either of the blog rolls, or how they describe themselves. If I see (as in Rachels case) what I believe to be wrong I am under no compulsion to go easy or tread lightly because I happen to be blog roll mates with the individual - indeed, were that the case I would be on neither list within seconds of being told that I should .\r\n\r\nIf you are looking for me on a left\/right political line I really don\'t know where I would fit in, somewhere to the left of centre, but that\'s not very useful when the centre keeps redefining itself depending on which self-described left of centre \/ right of centre political party happens to be in power is it? \r\n\r\nAnd being linear in nature the generally accepted political spectrum doesn\'t deal at all with authoritarian issues which, I believe, are just as important as the (possibly) once descriptive left\/right labels.\r\n\r\nHitler was a rightie, Stalin was a leftie - without adding into the equation that both were very authoritarian you end up lumping Hitler and Harper into the same group labeled \&quot;rightie\&quot; don\'t you?\r\n\r\n-- not very useful at all.\r\n\r\nA better place to look for me would be on the &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.politicalcompass.org\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;political quadrant&lt;\/a&gt;, I\'m in the lower left corner. A non-authoritarian with socialist tendencies? A minarchist? A Libertarian with a social conscience? Somebody who thinks we should look after the disadvantaged, the helpless, and the needy, without the necessity of government regulating who falls into those categories and how they should be helped?\r\n\r\nIf you find a label that describes that philosophy let me know.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117966</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chomsky has described himself as a libertarian socialist, or anarchist.  You seem to have some libertarian leanings yourself, but maybe its just normal person thinking compared to those nanny state leftists that I&#039;ve been reading about.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117966&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117966&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;,&#039;Chomsky has described himself as a libertarian socialist, or anarchist.  You seem to have some libertarian leanings yourself, but maybe its just normal person thinking compared to those nanny state leftists that I\&#039;ve been reading about.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chomsky has described himself as a libertarian socialist, or anarchist.  You seem to have some libertarian leanings yourself, but maybe its just normal person thinking compared to those nanny state leftists that I&#8217;ve been reading about.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117966','mad dog'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117966','mad dog','Chomsky has described himself as a libertarian socialist, or anarchist.  You seem to have some libertarian leanings yourself, but maybe its just normal person thinking compared to those nanny state leftists that I\'ve been reading about.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117941</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On linguistics, not very. On media and communications, extremely. On international affairs and colonialism, somewhat. Why?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117941&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117941&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;On linguistics, not very. On media and communications, extremely. On international affairs and colonialism, somewhat. Why?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On linguistics, not very. On media and communications, extremely. On international affairs and colonialism, somewhat. Why?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117941','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117941','balbulican','On linguistics, not very. On media and communications, extremely. On international affairs and colonialism, somewhat. Why?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117936</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How familiar are you with the writings of Chomsky?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117936&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117936&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;,&#039;How familiar are you with the writings of Chomsky?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How familiar are you with the writings of Chomsky?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117936','mad dog'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117936','mad dog','How familiar are you with the writings of Chomsky?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
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		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There and here mad dog, there and here.

State sponsored imposed solutions are not solutions, they are the problem.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117912&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117912&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;&lt;blockquote&gt;Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nThere and here mad dog, there and here.\r\n\r\nState sponsored imposed solutions are not solutions, they are the problem.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?</p></blockquote>
<p>There and here mad dog, there and here.</p>
<p>State sponsored imposed solutions are not solutions, they are the problem.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117912','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117912','stageleft','&lt;blockquote&gt;Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nThere and here mad dog, there and here.\r\n\r\nState sponsored imposed solutions are not solutions, they are the problem.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117899</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On this issue, it seems safe to say that most of the commenters (and certainly the Bunker Editorial Crew) think that state assumption of this level of control based on race is a very bad thing.&quot;

I suppose you are right (not right wing, ha ha).  I think it is more of an issue of &#039;Libertarian vs. Authoritarian&#039;.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117899&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117899&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;,&#039;\&quot;On this issue, it seems safe to say that most of the commenters (and certainly the Bunker Editorial Crew) think that state assumption of this level of control based on race is a very bad thing.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI suppose you are right (not right wing, ha ha).  I think it is more of an issue of \&#039;Libertarian vs. Authoritarian\&#039;.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On this issue, it seems safe to say that most of the commenters (and certainly the Bunker Editorial Crew) think that state assumption of this level of control based on race is a very bad thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose you are right (not right wing, ha ha).  I think it is more of an issue of &#8216;Libertarian vs. Authoritarian&#8217;.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117899','mad dog'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117899','mad dog','\&quot;On this issue, it seems safe to say that most of the commenters (and certainly the Bunker Editorial Crew) think that state assumption of this level of control based on race is a very bad thing.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI suppose you are right (not right wing, ha ha).  I think it is more of an issue of \'Libertarian vs. Authoritarian\'.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
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		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question of what is or isn&#039;t &quot;leftist&quot; has never been of very much interest here, I&#039;m afraid. On this issue, it seems safe to say that most of the commenters (and certainly the Bunker Editorial Crew) think that state assumption of this level of control based on race is a very bad thing.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117892&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117892&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;The question of what is or isn\&#039;t \&quot;leftist\&quot; has never been of very much interest here, I\&#039;m afraid. On this issue, it seems safe to say that most of the commenters (and certainly the Bunker Editorial Crew) think that state assumption of this level of control based on race is a very bad thing.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of what is or isn&#8217;t &#8220;leftist&#8221; has never been of very much interest here, I&#8217;m afraid. On this issue, it seems safe to say that most of the commenters (and certainly the Bunker Editorial Crew) think that state assumption of this level of control based on race is a very bad thing.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117892','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117892','balbulican','The question of what is or isn\'t \&quot;leftist\&quot; has never been of very much interest here, I\'m afraid. On this issue, it seems safe to say that most of the commenters (and certainly the Bunker Editorial Crew) think that state assumption of this level of control based on race is a very bad thing.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117880</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nope. ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s what everyone here is saying.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, good.  Unfortunately, some people, despite their leftist leanings (or maybe it&#8217;s because of their leftist leanings), have the silly notion that Howard is right in these matters:</p>
<p><a href="http://fstdt.com/forums/thread.asp?p=48190#48190" rel="nofollow">http://fstdt.com/forums/thread.asp?p=48190#48190</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117880','mad dog'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117880','mad dog','\&quot;Nope. That&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;‚&not;&acirc;„&cent;s what everyone here is saying.\&quot;\r\n\r\nOh, good.  Unfortunately, some people, despite their leftist leanings (or maybe it\'s because of their leftist leanings), have the silly notion that Howard is right in these matters:\r\n\r\n&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/fstdt.com\/forums\/thread.asp?p=48190#48190\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;http:\/\/fstdt.com\/forums\/thread.asp?p=48190#48190&lt;\/a&gt;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Shmohawk</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117849</link>
		<dc:creator>Shmohawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, not everyone. Just about everyone. 

I consider it inhuman to brutalize people already so brutalized by Australian governments year after year for more nearly 200 years. We know this latest intrusion won&#039;t solve anything because we&#039;ve seen the results of similar actions here in Canada. 

The report used as an excuse for this latest intrusion condemned the lack of reliable, steady and sufficient government funding for family support programs. It did &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; recommend sending in the cops and the army.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117849&#039;,&#039;Shmohawk&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117849&#039;,&#039;Shmohawk&#039;,&#039;Well, not everyone. Just about everyone. \r\n\r\nI consider it inhuman to brutalize people already so brutalized by Australian governments year after year for more nearly 200 years. We know this latest intrusion won\&#039;t solve anything because we\&#039;ve seen the results of similar actions here in Canada. \r\n\r\nThe report used as an excuse for this latest intrusion condemned the lack of reliable, steady and sufficient government funding for family support programs. It did &lt;i&gt;not&lt;\/i&gt; recommend sending in the cops and the army.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not everyone. Just about everyone. </p>
<p>I consider it inhuman to brutalize people already so brutalized by Australian governments year after year for more nearly 200 years. We know this latest intrusion won&#8217;t solve anything because we&#8217;ve seen the results of similar actions here in Canada. </p>
<p>The report used as an excuse for this latest intrusion condemned the lack of reliable, steady and sufficient government funding for family support programs. It did <i>not</i> recommend sending in the cops and the army.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117849','Shmohawk'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117849','Shmohawk','Well, not everyone. Just about everyone. \r\n\r\nI consider it inhuman to brutalize people already so brutalized by Australian governments year after year for more nearly 200 years. We know this latest intrusion won\'t solve anything because we\'ve seen the results of similar actions here in Canada. \r\n\r\nThe report used as an excuse for this latest intrusion condemned the lack of reliable, steady and sufficient government funding for family support programs. It did &lt;i&gt;not&lt;\/i&gt; recommend sending in the cops and the army.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117840</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?&#039;

Nope. That&#039;s what everyone here is saying.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117840&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117840&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;\&quot;Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?\&#039;\r\n\r\nNope. That\&#039;s what everyone here is saying.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?&#8217;</p>
<p>Nope. That&#8217;s what everyone here is saying.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117840','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117840','balbulican','\&quot;Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?\'\r\n\r\nNope. That\'s what everyone here is saying.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117839</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be fair to Rachel.  Even though I disagree with her about 90% on this matter, she did say that such laws should not be specifically applied to only abiriginies.

Although one thing that I would like to bring up that no one else has seemed to.  The Austrailian Government has a long history of atrocities with these people.  Someone said to me that up until 1980, one was legally allowed to kidnap them.  They have barged in on them in numerous other ways before.

Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117839&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117839&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;,&#039;Let\&#039;s be fair to Rachel.  Even though I disagree with her about 90% on this matter, she did say that such laws should not be specifically applied to only abiriginies.\r\n\r\nAlthough one thing that I would like to bring up that no one else has seemed to.  The Austrailian Government has a long history of atrocities with these people.  Someone said to me that up until 1980, one was legally allowed to kidnap them.  They have barged in on them in numerous other ways before.\r\n\r\nGiven this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?\r\n\r\nThe definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be fair to Rachel.  Even though I disagree with her about 90% on this matter, she did say that such laws should not be specifically applied to only abiriginies.</p>
<p>Although one thing that I would like to bring up that no one else has seemed to.  The Austrailian Government has a long history of atrocities with these people.  Someone said to me that up until 1980, one was legally allowed to kidnap them.  They have barged in on them in numerous other ways before.</p>
<p>Given this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?</p>
<p>The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117839','mad dog'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117839','mad dog','Let\'s be fair to Rachel.  Even though I disagree with her about 90% on this matter, she did say that such laws should not be specifically applied to only abiriginies.\r\n\r\nAlthough one thing that I would like to bring up that no one else has seemed to.  The Austrailian Government has a long history of atrocities with these people.  Someone said to me that up until 1980, one was legally allowed to kidnap them.  They have barged in on them in numerous other ways before.\r\n\r\nGiven this long history of failure in regards to state action with these people, does it make any sense to use more state action?\r\n\r\nThe definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117814</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is simply no good reason to have racist public policy.&quot;

Thanks, we agree. Apparently Rachel and the Australian Government don&#039;t.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117814&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117814&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;\&quot;There is simply no good reason to have racist public policy.\&quot;\r\n\r\nThanks, we agree. Apparently Rachel and the Australian Government don\&#039;t.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is simply no good reason to have racist public policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks, we agree. Apparently Rachel and the Australian Government don&#8217;t.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117814','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117814','balbulican','\&quot;There is simply no good reason to have racist public policy.\&quot;\r\n\r\nThanks, we agree. Apparently Rachel and the Australian Government don\'t.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mad dog</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/06/22/not-progressive-very-bad-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-117813</link>
		<dc:creator>mad dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter whether you think it is interesting, because I am only echoing what numerous other people have said.  I&#039;ve heard these complaints numerous times, of how &#039;progressive&#039; has almost never been defined.  It is detrimental to their cause.  They need to come out and clearly state what they stand for, or else drift away like so many other political movements, due to lack of interest.

Racism as a public policy is not worth discussing so much as it is worth denouncing and protesting over.  There is simply no good reason to have racist public policy.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;117813&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;117813&#039;,&#039;mad dog&#039;,&#039;It doesn\&#039;t matter whether you think it is interesting, because I am only echoing what numerous other people have said.  I\&#039;ve heard these complaints numerous times, of how \&#039;progressive\&#039; has almost never been defined.  It is detrimental to their cause.  They need to come out and clearly state what they stand for, or else drift away like so many other political movements, due to lack of interest.\r\n\r\nRacism as a public policy is not worth discussing so much as it is worth denouncing and protesting over.  There is simply no good reason to have racist public policy.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter whether you think it is interesting, because I am only echoing what numerous other people have said.  I&#8217;ve heard these complaints numerous times, of how &#8216;progressive&#8217; has almost never been defined.  It is detrimental to their cause.  They need to come out and clearly state what they stand for, or else drift away like so many other political movements, due to lack of interest.</p>
<p>Racism as a public policy is not worth discussing so much as it is worth denouncing and protesting over.  There is simply no good reason to have racist public policy.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('117813','mad dog'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('117813','mad dog','It doesn\'t matter whether you think it is interesting, because I am only echoing what numerous other people have said.  I\'ve heard these complaints numerous times, of how \'progressive\' has almost never been defined.  It is detrimental to their cause.  They need to come out and clearly state what they stand for, or else drift away like so many other political movements, due to lack of interest.\r\n\r\nRacism as a public policy is not worth discussing so much as it is worth denouncing and protesting over.  There is simply no good reason to have racist public policy.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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