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		<title>By: Arwen</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/23/gop-candidates-talk-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-114467</link>
		<dc:creator>Arwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s exactly what I mean. How does he *deal* with it? 

I mean, okay: you&#039;ve been tortured. During torture, which I assume wasn&#039;t fun, you broke down and gave names of the Green Bay Packers, so you know it doesn&#039;t work. During torture, you both wished you were dead and you wished to see your family again. You had to wonder how someone could do this to another someone: torture is all about your humanity being stripped away. 

And then, years later, you have to listen to chowderhead mealymouthed morons who are ostensibly your allies talking trash about getting all testosterone &quot;enhanced&quot;. Little pencil pusher types swinging their packages around.

Even if these persons were my ideological allies, I&#039;d have trouble coping with it. And in liberal circles, at least, people don&#039;t just cope: I can think of many issues of race, class, sexuality, and gender that get hashed and rehashed on DailyKos. There is some shit up with which people generally do not put; and if I were McCain, I&#039;d be getting awfully itchy about my teammates. 

So how does he deal with it?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;114467&#039;,&#039;Arwen&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;114467&#039;,&#039;Arwen&#039;,&#039;Yeah, that\&#039;s exactly what I mean. How does he *deal* with it? \r\n\r\nI mean, okay: you\&#039;ve been tortured. During torture, which I assume wasn\&#039;t fun, you broke down and gave names of the Green Bay Packers, so you know it doesn\&#039;t work. During torture, you both wished you were dead and you wished to see your family again. You had to wonder how someone could do this to another someone: torture is all about your humanity being stripped away. \r\n\r\nAnd then, years later, you have to listen to chowderhead mealymouthed morons who are ostensibly your allies talking trash about getting all testosterone \&quot;enhanced\&quot;. Little pencil pusher types swinging their packages around.\r\n\r\nEven if these persons were my ideological allies, I\&#039;d have trouble coping with it. And in liberal circles, at least, people don\&#039;t just cope: I can think of many issues of race, class, sexuality, and gender that get hashed and rehashed on DailyKos. There is some shit up with which people generally do not put; and if I were McCain, I\&#039;d be getting awfully itchy about my teammates. \r\n\r\nSo how does he deal with it?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s exactly what I mean. How does he *deal* with it? </p>
<p>I mean, okay: you&#8217;ve been tortured. During torture, which I assume wasn&#8217;t fun, you broke down and gave names of the Green Bay Packers, so you know it doesn&#8217;t work. During torture, you both wished you were dead and you wished to see your family again. You had to wonder how someone could do this to another someone: torture is all about your humanity being stripped away. </p>
<p>And then, years later, you have to listen to chowderhead mealymouthed morons who are ostensibly your allies talking trash about getting all testosterone &#8220;enhanced&#8221;. Little pencil pusher types swinging their packages around.</p>
<p>Even if these persons were my ideological allies, I&#8217;d have trouble coping with it. And in liberal circles, at least, people don&#8217;t just cope: I can think of many issues of race, class, sexuality, and gender that get hashed and rehashed on DailyKos. There is some shit up with which people generally do not put; and if I were McCain, I&#8217;d be getting awfully itchy about my teammates. </p>
<p>So how does he deal with it?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114467','Arwen'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114467','Arwen','Yeah, that\'s exactly what I mean. How does he *deal* with it? \r\n\r\nI mean, okay: you\'ve been tortured. During torture, which I assume wasn\'t fun, you broke down and gave names of the Green Bay Packers, so you know it doesn\'t work. During torture, you both wished you were dead and you wished to see your family again. You had to wonder how someone could do this to another someone: torture is all about your humanity being stripped away. \r\n\r\nAnd then, years later, you have to listen to chowderhead mealymouthed morons who are ostensibly your allies talking trash about getting all testosterone \&quot;enhanced\&quot;. Little pencil pusher types swinging their packages around.\r\n\r\nEven if these persons were my ideological allies, I\'d have trouble coping with it. And in liberal circles, at least, people don\'t just cope: I can think of many issues of race, class, sexuality, and gender that get hashed and rehashed on DailyKos. There is some shit up with which people generally do not put; and if I were McCain, I\'d be getting awfully itchy about my teammates. \r\n\r\nSo how does he deal with it?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jesse of the North</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/23/gop-candidates-talk-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-114464</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse of the North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh c&#039;mon, Lieberman is scum! 

The race I&#039;d like to see is Hagel/Paul vs Obama/Edwards in &#039;08. 

America needs a cool headed leader that will bring the country together again. Of course this will never happen... but one can dream, eh?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;114464&#039;,&#039;Jesse of the North&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;114464&#039;,&#039;Jesse of the North&#039;,&#039;Oh c\&#039;mon, Lieberman is scum! \r\n\r\nThe race I\&#039;d like to see is Hagel\/Paul vs Obama\/Edwards in \&#039;08. \r\n\r\nAmerica needs a cool headed leader that will bring the country together again. Of course this will never happen... but one can dream, eh?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh c&#8217;mon, Lieberman is scum! </p>
<p>The race I&#8217;d like to see is Hagel/Paul vs Obama/Edwards in &#8216;08. </p>
<p>America needs a cool headed leader that will bring the country together again. Of course this will never happen&#8230; but one can dream, eh?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114464','Jesse of the North'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114464','Jesse of the North','Oh c\'mon, Lieberman is scum! \r\n\r\nThe race I\'d like to see is Hagel\/Paul vs Obama\/Edwards in \'08. \r\n\r\nAmerica needs a cool headed leader that will bring the country together again. Of course this will never happen... but one can dream, eh?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Throbbin</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/23/gop-candidates-talk-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-114456</link>
		<dc:creator>Throbbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 15:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the most conservative of the candidates (at least in terms of economics), I am surprised that Ron Paul has earned my respect.  While I don&#039;t agree with his view on alot of things, he at least has the self-respect and the respect for the American people that so many of the other candidates (Republican and Democrat) lack.

Ron Paul and Lieberman for the Republicans!!!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;114456&#039;,&#039;Throbbin&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;114456&#039;,&#039;Throbbin&#039;,&#039;As the most conservative of the candidates (at least in terms of economics), I am surprised that Ron Paul has earned my respect.  While I don\&#039;t agree with his view on alot of things, he at least has the self-respect and the respect for the American people that so many of the other candidates (Republican and Democrat) lack.\r\n\r\nRon Paul and Lieberman for the Republicans!!!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the most conservative of the candidates (at least in terms of economics), I am surprised that Ron Paul has earned my respect.  While I don&#8217;t agree with his view on alot of things, he at least has the self-respect and the respect for the American people that so many of the other candidates (Republican and Democrat) lack.</p>
<p>Ron Paul and Lieberman for the Republicans!!!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114456','Throbbin'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114456','Throbbin','As the most conservative of the candidates (at least in terms of economics), I am surprised that Ron Paul has earned my respect.  While I don\'t agree with his view on alot of things, he at least has the self-respect and the respect for the American people that so many of the other candidates (Republican and Democrat) lack.\r\n\r\nRon Paul and Lieberman for the Republicans!!!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/23/gop-candidates-talk-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-114446</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 12:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article</p>
<blockquote><p><b>In Tuesdayâ€™s debate, only John McCain and Ron Paul bucked the collective swooning over enhanced interrogation.</b> Paul mused about the way that torture has become â€œenhanced interrogation technique. It sounds like newspeak,â€ he noted, referring to George Orwellâ€™s term for totalitarian doubletalk in his novel â€œ1984.â€ Paul obviously never got the memo. For most of the Republican primary candidates, â€œ1984â€³ isnâ€™t a cautionary tale, itâ€™s a how-to manual.</p>
<p><b>Only McCain reminded the audience that â€œitâ€™s not about the terrorists, itâ€™s about us.</b> Itâ€™s about what kind of country we are.â€</p>
<p>(emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>Torture, as a tactic, has been legitimized in the US simply by renaming it.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114446','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114446','stageleft','From the article\r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;In Tuesday&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;s debate, only John McCain and Ron Paul bucked the collective swooning over enhanced interrogation.&lt;\/b&gt; Paul mused about the way that torture has become &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Aring;enhanced interrogation technique. It sounds like newspeak,&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Acirc; he noted, referring to George Orwell&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;s term for totalitarian doubletalk in his novel &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Aring;1984.&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Acirc; Paul obviously never got the memo. For most of the Republican primary candidates, &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Aring;1984&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Acirc;&sup3; isn&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;t a cautionary tale, it&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;s a how-to manual.\r\n\r\n&lt;b&gt;Only McCain reminded the audience that &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Aring;it&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;s not about the terrorists, it&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;s about us.&lt;\/b&gt; It&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;s about what kind of country we are.&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Acirc;\r\n\r\n(emphasis mine)&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nTorture, as a tactic, has been legitimized in the US simply by renaming it.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Arwen</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/23/gop-candidates-talk-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-114418</link>
		<dc:creator>Arwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 06:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does McCain deal with it, I wonder?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;114418&#039;,&#039;Arwen&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;114418&#039;,&#039;Arwen&#039;,&#039;How does McCain deal with it, I wonder?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does McCain deal with it, I wonder?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114418','Arwen'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114418','Arwen','How does McCain deal with it, I wonder?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Blog @ MoreWhat.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MoreWhat Matters: Today&#8217;s Blog List</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog @ MoreWhat.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MoreWhat Matters: Today&#8217;s Blog List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 04:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stageleft:. Life on the left side Â» Blog Archive Â» GOP Candidates Talk Torture [...]
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('114311','Blog @ MoreWhat.com &amp;raquo; Blog Archive &amp;raquo; MoreWhat Matters: Today&amp;#8217;s Blog List'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('114311','Blog @ MoreWhat.com &amp;raquo; Blog Archive &amp;raquo; MoreWhat Matters: Today&amp;#8217;s Blog List','&amp;#91;...&amp;#93; Stageleft:. Life on the left side &Atilde;&Acirc;&raquo; Blog Archive &Atilde;&Acirc;&raquo; GOP Candidates Talk Torture &amp;#91;...&amp;#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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