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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/05/more-than-33-think-torture-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-112392</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes an individual who is willing to embrace and put into practice the human rights abuses of the enemy any different from the enemy?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;112392&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;112392&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;What makes an individual who is willing to embrace and put into practice the human rights abuses of the enemy any different from the enemy?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes an individual who is willing to embrace and put into practice the human rights abuses of the enemy any different from the enemy?
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		<title>By: nastyboy</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/05/more-than-33-think-torture-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-112375</link>
		<dc:creator>nastyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If I was that officer you are asking me if I would be willing to become what I am fighting against - the answer is no, I would not. &lt;/i&gt;

Spoken by someone who has never been in combat, not that that&#039;s a bad thing. 

It&#039;s easier to maintain high ideals when you&#039;re not making life and death decisions on a daily basis.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;112375&#039;,&#039;nastyboy&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;112375&#039;,&#039;nastyboy&#039;,&#039;&lt;i&gt;If I was that officer you are asking me if I would be willing to become what I am fighting against - the answer is no, I would not. &lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nSpoken by someone who has never been in combat, not that that\&#039;s a bad thing. \r\n\r\nIt\&#039;s easier to maintain high ideals when you\&#039;re not making life and death decisions on a daily basis.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If I was that officer you are asking me if I would be willing to become what I am fighting against &#8211; the answer is no, I would not. </i></p>
<p>Spoken by someone who has never been in combat, not that that&#8217;s a bad thing. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easier to maintain high ideals when you&#8217;re not making life and death decisions on a daily basis.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('112375','nastyboy'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('112375','nastyboy','&lt;i&gt;If I was that officer you are asking me if I would be willing to become what I am fighting against - the answer is no, I would not. &lt;\/i&gt;\r\n\r\nSpoken by someone who has never been in combat, not that that\'s a bad thing. \r\n\r\nIt\'s easier to maintain high ideals when you\'re not making life and death decisions on a daily basis.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/05/more-than-33-think-torture-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-112112</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 23:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070504/battlefield-ethics" rel="nofollow">update</a>] </p>
<blockquote><p>WASHINGTON รขโฌโ In a survey of U.S. troops in combat in Iraq, less than half of Marines and a little more than half of Army soldiers said they would report a member of their unit for killing or wounding an innocent civilian.</p>
<p>More than 40 percent support the idea of torture in some cases, and 10 percent reported personally abusing Iraqi civilians, the Pentagon said Friday in what it called its first ethics study of troops at the war front. Units exposed to the most combat were chosen for the study, officials said.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is disappointing,&#8221; said analyst John Pike of the Globalsecurity.org think tank. &#8220;But anybody who is surprised by it doesn&#8217;t understand war. &#8230; This is about combat stress.&#8221;</p>
<p>The military has seen a number of high-profile incidents of alleged abuse in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, including the killings of 24 civilians by Marines, the rape and killing of a 14-year-old girl and the slaying of her family and the sexual humiliation of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison.</p></blockquote>
<p>These are not western values, and they have become the enemy of western society.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('112112','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('112112','stageleft','&amp;#91;&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/huff-wires\/20070504\/battlefield-ethics\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;update&lt;\/a&gt;&amp;#93; \r\n\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;WASHINGTON &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc; In a survey of U.S. troops in combat in Iraq, less than half of Marines and a little more than half of Army soldiers said they would report a member of their unit for killing or wounding an innocent civilian.\r\n\r\nMore than 40 percent support the idea of torture in some cases, and 10 percent reported personally abusing Iraqi civilians, the Pentagon said Friday in what it called its first ethics study of troops at the war front. Units exposed to the most combat were chosen for the study, officials said.\r\n\r\n\&quot;It is disappointing,\&quot; said analyst John Pike of the Globalsecurity.org think tank. \&quot;But anybody who is surprised by it doesn\'t understand war. ... This is about combat stress.\&quot;\r\n\r\nThe military has seen a number of high-profile incidents of alleged abuse in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, including the killings of 24 civilians by Marines, the rape and killing of a 14-year-old girl and the slaying of her family and the sexual humiliation of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison.&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nThese are not western values, and they have become the enemy of western society.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/05/more-than-33-think-torture-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-112111</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 23:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was that officer you are asking me if I would be willing to become what I am fighting against - the answer is no, I would not. 

It is not a matter of placing a higher value on the prisoners life than the lives of my men, although that is exactly the spin that would be put on it by those who either condone, or are trying so desperately to excuse, and/or justify, the human rights violations that have already taken place - it is a matter of either believing that there is a fundamentally moral difference between the two sides, or there is not.

Becoming the enemy is not defeating the enemy.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;112111&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;112111&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;If I was that officer you are asking me if I would be willing to become what I am fighting against - the answer is no, I would not. \r\n\r\nIt is not a matter of placing a higher value on the prisoners life than the lives of my men, although that is exactly the spin that would be put on it by those who either condone, or are trying so desperately to excuse, and\/or justify, the human rights violations that have already taken place - it is a matter of either believing that there is a fundamentally moral difference between the two sides, or there is not.\r\n\r\nBecoming the enemy is not defeating the enemy.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was that officer you are asking me if I would be willing to become what I am fighting against &#8211; the answer is no, I would not. </p>
<p>It is not a matter of placing a higher value on the prisoners life than the lives of my men, although that is exactly the spin that would be put on it by those who either condone, or are trying so desperately to excuse, and/or justify, the human rights violations that have already taken place &#8211; it is a matter of either believing that there is a fundamentally moral difference between the two sides, or there is not.</p>
<p>Becoming the enemy is not defeating the enemy.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('112111','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('112111','stageleft','If I was that officer you are asking me if I would be willing to become what I am fighting against - the answer is no, I would not. \r\n\r\nIt is not a matter of placing a higher value on the prisoners life than the lives of my men, although that is exactly the spin that would be put on it by those who either condone, or are trying so desperately to excuse, and\/or justify, the human rights violations that have already taken place - it is a matter of either believing that there is a fundamentally moral difference between the two sides, or there is not.\r\n\r\nBecoming the enemy is not defeating the enemy.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/05/more-than-33-think-torture-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-112100</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 19:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re an officer in command of 30 men, trapped behind enemy lines. You have a prisoner that can lead you and your men to safety. But he won&#039;t. Do you value the prisoner&#039;s life more than the lives of the 30 men in your charge, or do you ensure their safety. From &quot;Finding Forrester,&quot; it ain&#039;t a soup question.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;112100&#039;,&#039;Don&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;112100&#039;,&#039;Don&#039;,&#039;You\&#039;re an officer in command of 30 men, trapped behind enemy lines. You have a prisoner that can lead you and your men to safety. But he won\&#039;t. Do you value the prisoner\&#039;s life more than the lives of the 30 men in your charge, or do you ensure their safety. From \&quot;Finding Forrester,\&quot; it ain\&#039;t a soup question.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re an officer in command of 30 men, trapped behind enemy lines. You have a prisoner that can lead you and your men to safety. But he won&#8217;t. Do you value the prisoner&#8217;s life more than the lives of the 30 men in your charge, or do you ensure their safety. From &#8220;Finding Forrester,&#8221; it ain&#8217;t a soup question.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('112100','Don'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('112100','Don','You\'re an officer in command of 30 men, trapped behind enemy lines. You have a prisoner that can lead you and your men to safety. But he won\'t. Do you value the prisoner\'s life more than the lives of the 30 men in your charge, or do you ensure their safety. From \&quot;Finding Forrester,\&quot; it ain\'t a soup question.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mentarch</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2007/05/05/more-than-33-think-torture-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-112097</link>
		<dc:creator>Mentarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 18:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tragic fact is that &lt;a href=&quot;http://pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com/2007/04/whither-goest-thou-america.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;America has become the enemy it has been loathing since September 11, 2001&lt;/a&gt;.

The real question now is whether &lt;a href=&quot;http://pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com/2007/04/ten-steps-into-death-of-democracy-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the American republic will endure&lt;/a&gt; or eventually &lt;a href=&quot;http://pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com/2007/05/caesar-crosses-rubicon-sequel_03.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fall under the rule of a Commander Imperitor&lt;/a&gt; ...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;112097&#039;,&#039;Mentarch&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;112097&#039;,&#039;Mentarch&#039;,&#039;The tragic fact is that &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/whither-goest-thou-america.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;America has become the enemy it has been loathing since September 11, 2001&lt;\/a&gt;.\r\n\r\nThe real question now is whether &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/ten-steps-into-death-of-democracy-and.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;the American republic will endure&lt;\/a&gt; or eventually &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com\/2007\/05\/caesar-crosses-rubicon-sequel_03.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;fall under the rule of a Commander Imperitor&lt;\/a&gt; ...&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tragic fact is that <a href="http://pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com/2007/04/whither-goest-thou-america.html" rel="nofollow">America has become the enemy it has been loathing since September 11, 2001</a>.</p>
<p>The real question now is whether <a href="http://pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com/2007/04/ten-steps-into-death-of-democracy-and.html" rel="nofollow">the American republic will endure</a> or eventually <a href="http://pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com/2007/05/caesar-crosses-rubicon-sequel_03.html" rel="nofollow">fall under the rule of a Commander Imperitor</a> &#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('112097','Mentarch'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('112097','Mentarch','The tragic fact is that &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/whither-goest-thou-america.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;America has become the enemy it has been loathing since September 11, 2001&lt;\/a&gt;.\r\n\r\nThe real question now is whether &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com\/2007\/04\/ten-steps-into-death-of-democracy-and.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;the American republic will endure&lt;\/a&gt; or eventually &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/pov-mentarch1.blogspot.com\/2007\/05\/caesar-crosses-rubicon-sequel_03.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;fall under the rule of a Commander Imperitor&lt;\/a&gt; ...'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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