It seems that the CPoC has contracted out some sort of electoral reform project, the Minister responsible is Mr. Peter Van Loan (MP York-Simcoe), his email address is VanLoan.P@parl.gc.ca. I’ve already written his office asking about the process and the schedule, I’ll post his reply when it is received, but sending the man an email of your own to show that your interested in commenting on the mess wouldn’t hurt.
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I’m sure that the conservative govenrment will be entirely fair in selecting a non-partisan and unbiased think-tank for this purpose.
And, while I do think public consultations are a grand idea, I don’t hold much more than a hope that the Leafs will win the cup in my lifetime, that the cons (or the libs) would listen to what such a consultation would yield.
Whooee! Looks like some gravy train think tank money’s up fer grabs. Half a million up to nine hunnert grand. I do a lotta thinkin’ an’ I got a coupla friends who like gettin’ tanked, maybe I’ll bid on the contract.
They got a deal like this goin’ on fer Ontariariario with a citizens’ committee s’posed t’ come out with a recommendation on proportional representation.
I figger we need a different name fer proportional representation. Too dang many syllables, sez I. The whole idea’s complicated fer the non-wonks an’ by the time you get all them syllables out, they’re lookin’ around fer somebuddy who ain’t so borin’.
“Electoral reform” is a little bit shorter but I ain’t sure it’s any better. There oughta be a happyface slogan like “Democratic Renewal” or “Fair Vote Reform”.
Anyway, I’ll believe it when I see it it an’ I ain’t get any younger so I ain’t countin’ on seein’ it.
JB
Let me see now… at last count there were ten provinces and three territories, add in a youth forum and 10+3+1=12; their math makes as much sense as their process.
Peter Van Loan, the government House leader and minister responsible for democratic reform, said by e-mail Tuesday that day-long citizens’ forums will be held in each province and territory, plus an additional forum for youth - making 12 in all.
Here’s the problem
Those participants, said Van Loan, “will learn about the issues and then deliberate on the priorities, values and principles they believe should underpin Canada’s democratic institutions and practices, and provide their views.”
Another bullshit top down process guided by the CPoC friend friendly consultant willing to tell them what they want to hear for the least amount of above board money.
If they were really interested they would sit their pencil pushing asses in chairs and listen to people tell them what the issues are and how they should be addressed.
.. and while we’re talking about the people part of the process maybe someone who buys into this can explain to the rest of us doubting bloggers how a one day forum in any single jurisdiction is going to be representative of that jurisdiction?
I may be the only person that thinks Mr. Harper wants some form of electoral change. Not right now maybe but at some point. Not P.R. necessarily but something that allows for more freedom of opinion along regional and ideological lines rather than the big tent approach where party supporters have to suck up the bits they don’t support. A bunch of smaller tents maybe and perhaps more plebiscites.
I understand that he is not likely to do this if he believes that he can win a majority but I think of all of the differences of opinion that majority would have to encompass and how short lived it might be.
Whatever the case this project could be an outlet for some of the frustration voiced in the blogosphere lately and perhaps a chance to move electoral change along a bit.
Hmm, the federal press release also says “12″ - I was hoping it was the reporter that couldn’t add. Sadly, not.
“.. and while we’re talking about the people part of the process maybe someone who buys into this can explain to the rest of us doubting bloggers how a one day forum in any single jurisdiction is going to be representative of that jurisdiction?”
One would hope that a good starting point could be determined, at least. I don’t know enough about the planned process to add anything further, and will wait to see what that process IS before condemning it out of hand.
I will say that I hope it’s not going to be like Gomery’s little jaunt across the country to converse with Canadians (in closed door meetings with pre-selected, unannounced attendees). I would have no problem condemning that!
This is something to look into, especially if it does end up making progress, though the bad math is worrisome, we are talking about elections here where being able to add is at the root of the system…
By the way, I think I’ve discovered the secret Byward Market outpost of the Bunker. Don’t worry, the secret’s safe…
Whooee! Well, it’s tuff t’ get too excited about the announcement of a new gummint study. I remember back in 1970 when a bunch of us was all excited about the Le Dain Commission Report. We figgered we’d be smokin’ legal pot in a year or two at the most.
Then, there’s them studies on Native Land Claims an’ the gummint still shufflin’ its feet on Ipperwash like they been doin’ since 1945. Caledonia’s dragged on fer a whole year now an’ they ain’t one bit closer t’ settliun’ anything than the day it started.
There’s ol’ Romanow’s healthcare report gatherin’ dust an’ most anybuddy could name a useless study that made big news fer a couplafew days an’ then nobuddy ever heard of it again.
Electoral reform ain’t a sexy issue like marijuana or doctor shortages or green stuff or native uprisings or passports or a whole buncha other things people’d name off first if yer askin’ ‘em what needs fixin’. Gummint won’t even fix the stuff people care about so I ain’t got much hope they’ll fix sumpin’ hardly anybuddy knows is broken.
JB

Are you talking about this: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/01/09/3256941-cp.html ?