Of Chickens And Eggs
Bush stated at Camp David that U.S. troops will be in Iraq until the Iraqi government is able to secure the country on its’ own. A statement that poses the question – which comes first, the leaving, or the security?
The bunker has speculated previously that the United States presence in Iraq is a significant liability to progress in that country. Whether they like it or not you simply can not kill women, children, unborn babies, and old men in wheel chairs without being hated…. a hatred that is, understandably IMO, sufficient to turn a blind eye to insurgent activity, if not actively support it.
With, according to the Pentagons own figures, insurgent attacks against troops and civilians at a two year high it’s time for the Bush administration to swallow its’ pride, admit that America is in an unwinnable situation that is only causing more problems than they [supposedly] intended to solve, and leave.
Interesting. If infact you are right and the US is to blame for the insurgency problems in Iraq, I wonder who is to blame for the insurgency problems in other Islamic countries and non Islamic countries for that matter. At this point in history, Muslims seem to be a pretty pissed off lot. Micheal Coren really does a much better job of addressing this issue, however, with his article on Islam and Terrorism whereby he states “As for the British-born Muslims who slaughtered people on the London Underground or those lovable atheists who ripped Spanish bodies apart in Madrid or our friends from 9/11, they wouldn’t know the difference between a mosque and Moscow. Unless it was a theatre in Moscow where other Muslims, presumably not inspired by Islam, murdered innocent people enjoying an evening with their families. But there was justification for this, because Muslims are suffering.
Which, of course, is why specifically Muslim terror groups have slaughtered people in Israel, the Palestinian territories, Iraq, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Ethiopia, Denmark, France, Somalia, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Thailand, the Philippines, Russia, Turkey, Yemen, Jordan and so many other nations.
http://torsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Coren_Michael/2006/06/10/1623709.html
Humm… you’re going to have to mention a few countries that do have insurgencies going on as opposed to countries that are dealing with extremist violence or terrorism…. because there is a difference.
You toos that word Muslin around pretty freely, don’t you think that you should maybe toss some something like “extremist” on to it – none of the Muslims I know fit your descriptions.
Insurgency, extremist violence, terrorism…..same shit, slightly different piles. Point is, Iraq is not the only country dealing with armed insurrections and militant extremists. Second point is: Who do you think is to blame for the Muslim terror groups activities in “Israel, the Palestinian territories, Iraq, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Ethiopia, Denmark, France, Somalia, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Thailand, the Philippines, Russia, Turkey, Yemen, Jordan and so many other nations.”?
Also, I don’t know any Muslims that fit the descriptions of these crimes, either. That doesn’t mean that most terrorism at this point in history, is not being carried out by Muslims……because it is.
Oh, God, you”re letting the rapist post here?
Ban him. He’s a criminal psycho.
“That doesn’t mean that most terrorism at this point in history, is not being carried out by Muslims……because it is.”
Let’s please not start exhuming horses that died horrible deaths at Robert’s and dragging them over here for one more round of flogging, shall we?
This is one of the less valuable memes floating around at the moment. It may, in fact, be numerically true, but I don’t understand why it’s supposed to matter. Most serial killers are white males. That doesn’t really tell me anything about white males, nor does it materially increase my anxiety when I encounter one (in my mirror, for instance).
Twenty years ago, “most terrorists” were probably blacks engaged in the resistance to apartheid. Thirty years ago, “most terrorists” were probably Irish Catholics. That doesn’t tell me anything about blacks or Irish Catholics: it tells me something about power and political circumstances during those decades.
(This is a test, Jeff – a serious response to your point.)
“Let’s please not start exhuming horses that died horrible deaths at Robert’s and dragging them over here for one more round of flogging, shall we?”
HAHAHA. A painted pony, perhaps?
“Twenty years ago, “most terrorists†were probably blacks engaged in the resistance to apartheid. Thirty years ago, “most terrorists†were probably Irish Catholics. That doesn’t tell me anything about blacks or Irish Catholics: it tells me something about power and political circumstances during those decades.”
Alright, I see your point. I really do. But you’ve forgotten something critical to your rationalization processing. In your attempt at making your case, you’ve compared terrorism that was regional in nature with terrorism that is global in nature. This is a problem that you need to correct before I can help you to piece together this puzzle.
Taiguy and I await your answer….
“you’ve compared terrorism that was regional in nature with terrorism that is global in nature.”
You forget that both instances cited were attributed at the time to a very global movement – both were viewed as tentacles in the expansion of International Communism.
No. That is an incorrect answer. Try again, please.
Darn. And you were doing so well.
Excuse me?