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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2006/02/21/a-pity-hes-already-killed-rational-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-16294</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That particular meme started at CJunk&#039;s. Bad thinking spreads quicker than bird flu, and does a lot more damage.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;16294&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;16294&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;That particular meme started at CJunk\&#039;s. Bad thinking spreads quicker than bird flu, and does a lot more damage.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That particular meme started at CJunk&#8217;s. Bad thinking spreads quicker than bird flu, and does a lot more damage.
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		<title>By: Peter D</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2006/02/21/a-pity-hes-already-killed-rational-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-16291</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Visit any conservative blog (including, Iâ€™m ashamed to say, many Canadian ones), and youâ€™ll find thinly veiled racist rants that barely (or donâ€™t at all) distinguish between militant Islamists, Muslims generally, terrorists, and secular Arabs. Even suggesting that thereâ€™s a difference will provoke a wave of knee jerk mockery or anger, usually both.&#8221;</p>
<p>And even more conservative bloggers are starting to warn against the imposition of Sharia Law in Europe and here in Canada &#8211; because to them, all Muslim&#8217;s want it. Not just the orthodox one&#8217;s. All of them. There is no distinction. And if you suggest that there is, well, that doesn&#8217;t fit the right wing worldview.</p>
<p>Did you see Kate&#8217;s post at SDA comparing moderate Muslim&#8217;s to moderate Germans prior to and during WW2? You can&#8217;t make this shit up anymore.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16291','Peter D'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16291','Peter D','\&quot;Visit any conservative blog (including, I&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;m ashamed to say, many Canadian ones), and you&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;ll find thinly veiled racist rants that barely (or don&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;t at all) distinguish between militant Islamists, Muslims generally, terrorists, and secular Arabs. Even suggesting that there&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;s a difference will provoke a wave of knee jerk mockery or anger, usually both.\&quot;\r\n\r\nAnd even more conservative bloggers are starting to warn against the imposition of Sharia Law in Europe and here in Canada - because to them, all Muslim\'s want it. Not just the orthodox one\'s. All of them. There is no distinction. And if you suggest that there is, well, that doesn\'t fit the right wing worldview.\r\n\r\nDid you see Kate\'s post at SDA comparing moderate Muslim\'s to moderate Germans prior to and during WW2? You can\'t make this shit up anymore.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2006/02/21/a-pity-hes-already-killed-rational-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-16271</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken, Mike, although in the context of this discussion and the current US climate, you&#039;ll agree that&#039;s a distinction that may escape most Iraqis AND most Americans.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;16271&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;16271&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;Point taken, Mike, although in the context of this discussion and the current US climate, you\&#039;ll agree that\&#039;s a distinction that may escape most Iraqis AND most Americans.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken, Mike, although in the context of this discussion and the current US climate, you&#8217;ll agree that&#8217;s a distinction that may escape most Iraqis AND most Americans.
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		<title>By: Cait</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2006/02/21/a-pity-hes-already-killed-rational-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-16268</link>
		<dc:creator>Cait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Convoluted&quot; is certainly the best word to describe this whole mess.  I&#039;m not even sure at this point what I think about the proposal or people&#039;s reactions to it.  I have heard/read that other of our ports are managed by foreign countries.  It&#039;s the business of lumping all Arabs into the same ball of Play Doh.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;16268&#039;,&#039;Cait&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;16268&#039;,&#039;Cait&#039;,&#039;\&quot;Convoluted\&quot; is certainly the best word to describe this whole mess.  I\&#039;m not even sure at this point what I think about the proposal or people\&#039;s reactions to it.  I have heard\/read that other of our ports are managed by foreign countries.  It\&#039;s the business of lumping all Arabs into the same ball of Play Doh.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Convoluted&#8221; is certainly the best word to describe this whole mess.  I&#8217;m not even sure at this point what I think about the proposal or people&#8217;s reactions to it.  I have heard/read that other of our ports are managed by foreign countries.  It&#8217;s the business of lumping all Arabs into the same ball of Play Doh.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16268','Cait'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16268','Cait','\&quot;Convoluted\&quot; is certainly the best word to describe this whole mess.  I\'m not even sure at this point what I think about the proposal or people\'s reactions to it.  I have heard\/read that other of our ports are managed by foreign countries.  It\'s the business of lumping all Arabs into the same ball of Play Doh.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mike H</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2006/02/21/a-pity-hes-already-killed-rational-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-16260</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you for the most part, Balb. The &#8221; racism-lite &#8221; seems a little over the top, however. I think it&#8217;s more symptomatic of &#8221; generalized paranoia.&#8221; If a sheik from UAE was looking to buy a steel company, or a retail chain, we wouldn&#8217;t be seeing this kind of reaction. In my view, the port management controversy has been fueled in part by the fact that it involves a red button terrorism issue, port security. What many Americans don&#8217;t seem to realize is the fact that port security is woefully inadequate now, which makes the nationality of the company managing the ports a tempest in a teacup. </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&#8221;Things have gotten so astonishingly convoluted that the US is now warning Iraqis that American support is contingent on Iraqis making a â€œdemocraticâ€ choice for a non-Islamist governmentâ€¦you know, a secular government, like that one they just got rid of. Democracyâ€™s great, kids, as long as we agree with your choices. Otherwiseâ€¦think â€œAlgeriaâ€.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually Balb, it&#8217;s more a case of <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/21/international/middleeast/21iraq.html?_r=1&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1140585215-OfWctZwKXqKBaAT9CSrvsQ&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">non-sectarian</a>  than &#8220;non-Islamist,&#8221; and the Bush administration is correct to pressure the Iraqis on that front. The Americans grudgingly acceded to the inclusion of a role for Islam in the Iraqi constitution quite some time ago.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16260','Mike H'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16260','Mike H','I agree with you for the most part, Balb. The \&quot; racism-lite \&quot; seems a little over the top, however. I think it\'s more symptomatic of \&quot; generalized paranoia.\&quot; If a sheik from UAE was looking to buy a steel company, or a retail chain, we wouldn\'t be seeing this kind of reaction. In my view, the port management controversy has been fueled in part by the fact that it involves a red button terrorism issue, port security. What many Americans don\'t seem to realize is the fact that port security is woefully inadequate now, which makes the nationality of the company managing the ports a tempest in a teacup. \r\n\r\n&amp;gt;&amp;gt;\&quot;Things have gotten so astonishingly convoluted that the US is now warning Iraqis that American support is contingent on Iraqis making a &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Aring;democratic&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Acirc; choice for a non-Islamist government&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Acirc;&brvbar;you know, a secular government, like that one they just got rid of. Democracy&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&acirc;&cent;s great, kids, as long as we agree with your choices. Otherwise&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Acirc;&brvbar;think &Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Aring;Algeria&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;&not;&Acirc;.\&quot;\r\n\r\nActually Balb, it\'s more a case of &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2006\/02\/21\/international\/middleeast\/21iraq.html?_r=1&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1140585215-OfWctZwKXqKBaAT9CSrvsQ&amp;amp;oref=slogin\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;non-sectarian&lt;\/a&gt;  than \&quot;non-Islamist,\&quot; and the Bush administration is correct to pressure the Iraqis on that front. The Americans grudgingly acceded to the inclusion of a role for Islam in the Iraqi constitution quite some time ago.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2006/02/21/a-pity-hes-already-killed-rational-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-16242</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna have to check myself in for psychic tuneup. In a seven day period I&#039;ve found myself agreeing with Stephen Harper AND George Bush. I may have to talk to that sports psychologist - I like his treatment.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;16242&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;16242&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;m gonna have to check myself in for psychic tuneup. In a seven day period I\&#039;ve found myself agreeing with Stephen Harper AND George Bush. I may have to talk to that sports psychologist - I like his treatment.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna have to check myself in for psychic tuneup. In a seven day period I&#8217;ve found myself agreeing with Stephen Harper AND George Bush. I may have to talk to that sports psychologist &#8211; I like his treatment.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16242','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16242','balbulican','I\'m gonna have to check myself in for psychic tuneup. In a seven day period I\'ve found myself agreeing with Stephen Harper AND George Bush. I may have to talk to that sports psychologist - I like his treatment.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: stageleft</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2006/02/21/a-pity-hes-already-killed-rational-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-16241</link>
		<dc:creator>stageleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have listened with more than a little amusement to (Right)WingNuts like Hannity, O&#039;Reilly, and Limbaugh, alternately backing the president, trashing the president, generally back peddling; all the while trumpeting the &lt;i&gt;&quot;see this proves we&#039;re unbiased&quot;&lt;/i&gt; line while they do so.... their callers are also pretty well fit to be tied over turning port security (which has squat to do with the plan) over to a bunch of terrorists.

I sure would like to be a fly on the wall in the Fox news room these days when they&#039;re trying to put together the daily line ups.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;16241&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;16241&#039;,&#039;stageleft&#039;,&#039;I have listened with more than a little amusement to (Right)WingNuts like Hannity, O\&#039;Reilly, and Limbaugh, alternately backing the president, trashing the president, generally back peddling; all the while trumpeting the &lt;i&gt;\&quot;see this proves we\&#039;re unbiased\&quot;&lt;\/i&gt; line while they do so.... their callers are also pretty well fit to be tied over turning port security (which has squat to do with the plan) over to a bunch of terrorists.\r\n\r\nI sure would like to be a fly on the wall in the Fox news room these days when they\&#039;re trying to put together the daily line ups.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have listened with more than a little amusement to (Right)WingNuts like Hannity, O&#8217;Reilly, and Limbaugh, alternately backing the president, trashing the president, generally back peddling; all the while trumpeting the <i>&#8220;see this proves we&#8217;re unbiased&#8221;</i> line while they do so&#8230;. their callers are also pretty well fit to be tied over turning port security (which has squat to do with the plan) over to a bunch of terrorists.</p>
<p>I sure would like to be a fly on the wall in the Fox news room these days when they&#8217;re trying to put together the daily line ups.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('16241','stageleft'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('16241','stageleft','I have listened with more than a little amusement to (Right)WingNuts like Hannity, O\'Reilly, and Limbaugh, alternately backing the president, trashing the president, generally back peddling; all the while trumpeting the &lt;i&gt;\&quot;see this proves we\'re unbiased\&quot;&lt;\/i&gt; line while they do so.... their callers are also pretty well fit to be tied over turning port security (which has squat to do with the plan) over to a bunch of terrorists.\r\n\r\nI sure would like to be a fly on the wall in the Fox news room these days when they\'re trying to put together the daily line ups.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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