Personally I’m gonna weigh in on the side of the little guy, this is completely unwarranted and I can only hope Mark gets a PayPal Donate button up there soon so I can contribute to the defense.
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SL, I’m no so sure that the suit is unwarranted. Unlike certain bloggers who have already dismissed Kinsella’s claim as “bogus,” I’m not sure about its (lack of) merit, in no small part due to the sloppy phrasing in the allegedly libelous words. I’ll leave it to a judge to sort it out. I’d be more compelled to jump on the Bourrie bandwagon if I thought that Kinsella’s claim was pointless, but those allegedly libelous words can be read in a way that makes Kinsella look like a real mover in Adscam. That’s why I’m not begrudging Kinsella’s actions at this time — though I’m not saying that Kinsella is necessarily in the right.
As I see it, if you’re running a blog, you’re a publisher and should exercise the same judgment as someone running a newspaper or magazine. The same laws apply even if the blogosphere tradition is to “setttle arguments” with long, pointless flamewars.
Now, I’ve been on the receiving end of threats like this a few times myself. While I think that Canadian defamation law is tilted in favour of plaintiffs, the fact is that it’s something one has to deal with until the laws are changed (There’s a cause I’ll klink some bucks towards.). When you’re dealing with loaded subjects — especially when the players are known to call in the lawyers — you’ve got to make sure you’ve covered every detail instead of firing away. There are people who are more likely to sue than work these things informally. Warren Kinsella’s one, Ezra Levant’s another. There are plenty more out there.
Keep in mind that a lot of the blog discussion about this suit is from those who have (for one reason or another) an axe to grind with Kinsella. I’d love to see an opinion from a lawyer who specializes in defamation and who does not have an agenda towards either of these characters.
I do agree with TH, though, that Bourrie and Kinsella are both behaving childishly and could resolve this without the use of lawyers. If the two hadn’t been grinding at each other for years, this might not be the case — and if I’m not mistaken, Bourrie originally refused to retract the statement, misplaced promouns and all.
But hey, I also know what it’s like to be a stubborn prick. Maybe they both deserve the suit.
Oh me too Balbulica I hang my head because there is no apology when the big guy bullies the little guy. I can only imagine that Kinsella is doing this because he has no where else to feed. The bottom has rejected him too.
Well…lets see if he can pull of a Madonna or a Lopez and remake himself eh? There is a place in this world for assholes too - they just need to know their place.
But then yes - perhaps Bourrie and Kinsella are in good company and we should just sit back and enjoy the theatrics.
Ian,
I don’t disagree with anything you have posted either.
Bourrie did in fact refuse to retract, or at least admit that he was guilty of bad grammar, not libel. But for Kinella’s part he attacked Bourrie with an immediate and definite threat to sue in response. The two of them do not like each other and haven’t for some time as far as I can surmise.
I would have contributed to Bourrie’s defence fund if he had not, which he freely admits, gone out of his way to respond by editing Kinsella’s Wikipedia profile after the threat to sue by Kinsella. Bourrie claims that he only changed the references to himself. The problem is that that one act constitutes a guilty mind or mens rea in legal terms, or at least malice on his part if he edited the profile in any way derogatory to Kinsella. That is the kind of thing that raises ambiguity to the whole affair. The kind that, sadly, a judge probably must rule on.
Kinsella does have a case. Not a good one, mind you. This is not worth 600K plus court costs in a heartbeat.
He is a real bottom feeder for persuing it against a grad studend with a young family given the the quite obvious history between them and the benign grammatical error at the heart of it all.
Bourrie’s post was only ambiguous if you insist on reading the paragraph sentences incorrectly and don’t know how to properly resolve pronouns by rules of grammar. An 11-year old should be able to clearly indicate the correct reference.
An undifferentiated pronoun that follows two spelling errors in the same paragraph — does Kinsella expect a judge to buy that this was a deliberate slam on his character?
On the other hand, it would have been really simple for Bourrie to print an “oops, sorry.”
Looks to me like two bulls that have been pawing the ground at each other for awhile, now.
If Kinsella wins, the entire blogging community will have been put on notice…bad spelling and grammar can ruin your life. And I’ve got blogging friends who are so “dyslexic” when it comes to spelling and grammar that it’s almost an art form. Matter of fact, one of them did turn it into a CBA award…
I wonder if this lawsuit will actually fly, or if it will get settled.
Spelling errors - I once responded to an e-mail from a VIP banker and asked him to send his agenda for the few days he would be in town so we could arrange a meeting to go over a business plan. My intention was to compare our itineraries and find a time we were both free but when spell check looked at my bastardization of the word “itinerary†its first guess was not what I thought. I wasn’t really reading the suggestion I KNEW I spelt it wrong, so I just clicked “accept†and off my e-mail went…asking to compare “intimacies” with a VP at RBC.
Wow.
And…how did it go?
….That was the sound of my career bouncing a few steps down the ladder of success.
Hmmmm? My sound effects disappeared. I wrote “Bump, bump, bump†(my sound effects)…I can’t tell a joke in person either. Darn….
“I can’t tell a joke in person either.”
You must be a girl, then. Girls can’t tell jokes. Everybody knows that.
Here, let me help you. Repeat after me: “So a guy walks into a bar…”
:OP Pththththththth
Now, now. You’re acting like I said something sexist, when it’s just a well known genetic reality. There’s only so much room on a chromosome. It’s all about choices. God asked you guys whether you wanted to have:
a) the ability to tell jokes, OR
b) the infallible knowledge of where things SHOULD go.
You chose (b). Don’t blame me, for heaven’s sake.
And you have outted yourself a guy.
Also, it’s:
a) the ability to tell jokes (about loud, rude bodily functions), OR
Well, I haven’t paid a great deal of attention to the world of comic entertainment but I’m willing to bet that there are a heck of a lot of excellent women comics out there and a few spatially competent men too.
I know your poking – poke, poke, poke. But I have teenagers and it’ll take a heck of a lot more than those teasers to get me going. The gender blog thread disappeared, however I have it on good authority my well-intentioned comments were proven out with a lot of leg-cocking, chest- puffery, and not much else. :O)
But just incase you are interested. I thought I would do a quick search and see what I could find about gender blogging. I found a well written explaination that I copied the link too.
http://tsuredzuregusa.blogspot.com/2005/10/gender-blogging-invisible-netroots.html
“And you have outted yourself a guy.”
Hah. Fooled you. I am actually a bisexual amputee from Balbulica (what you thought was a name was actually a nationality). You better hope we never actually meet in the flesh, buddy, or feathers will fly.
Cool link, Wideye. BTW, I hope you know the whole thread was your fault.
Why I oughta… Where’s that nose of yours. Put me on that list.
Hey, wideeye. I followed my site stats here…thanks to your link on my article on blogging and gender.
A) If your search for the article was what introduced you to my blog originally, I’m extra glad I wrote it. It is a pleasure to have your company over there.
B) Please note those are my own *thoughs* and observations, which hardly constitute an iron-clad explanation. Just want to state that for a record.
C) And now, I owe you for introducing me to StageLeft. This is a great blog and is going on my blogroll. I live in the US right now and actually work in US politics, but I’m Canadian, and I mainly keep tabs on things at home by reading good Canadian blogs, so this is a great find.


As you know SL, I could reasonably be classified in the Kinsella appologist category many times over.
This occasion, or law suit changed my mind completely. I had a big long post written about this last night but deleted it before posting. This is, afterall, your site and I did not want to bring any threat of a libel suit your way. Having said that Kinsella is being a miserable prick and a common bully on this. Bourrie was originally guilty of misuse of the pronoun “he”, wherein the post in question might have possibly linked Kinsella to criminal behaviour. The problem is that it is painfully obvious that Bourrie made a grammatical error. The “he” that he used was obviously directed at Chuck Guite.
I have been following this intently and the ensuing events by both combattants have been disgraceful and make all of us in the blogging community look bad.
While I sympathize with Bourrie’s predicament, I think that both he and Kinsella are being irresponsible, given that they both have young families to feed and the amount of money at stake.
The whole affair could have reasonably been solved by:
1) Kinsella just asking nicely (without the litigation threat being the first knee-jerk reaction)
2) Bourrie clarifying his poor grammar in the post from the start
3) both men taking a deep breath and swallowing their egos.
The main problem is that they both have been sniping at each other over at CommentsPlease for a long time. This was probably inevitable.
While Kinsella should be ashamed of himself, Bourrie is no angel here either.