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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-853</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 02:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really sorry, IrC. I am trying to figure out what you really think from that jumble of cliche, and I can&#039;t. There&#039;s nothing about nation-to-nation status that suggests quaint colonialism. 

My views are embodied in the Nunavut Land Claims Agreement and Implementation Contract, which are available on line at several locations (www.tunngavik.ca is one). 

What exactly are yours?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;853&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;853&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;m really sorry, IrC. I am trying to figure out what you really think from that jumble of cliche, and I can\&#039;t. There\&#039;s nothing about nation-to-nation status that suggests quaint colonialism. \r\n\r\nMy views are embodied in the Nunavut Land Claims Agreement and Implementation Contract, which are available on line at several locations (www.tunngavik.ca is one). \r\n\r\nWhat exactly are yours?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really sorry, IrC. I am trying to figure out what you really think from that jumble of cliche, and I can&#8217;t. There&#8217;s nothing about nation-to-nation status that suggests quaint colonialism. </p>
<p>My views are embodied in the Nunavut Land Claims Agreement and Implementation Contract, which are available on line at several locations (www.tunngavik.ca is one). </p>
<p>What exactly are yours?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('853','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('853','balbulican','I\'m really sorry, IrC. I am trying to figure out what you really think from that jumble of cliche, and I can\'t. There\'s nothing about nation-to-nation status that suggests quaint colonialism. \r\n\r\nMy views are embodied in the Nunavut Land Claims Agreement and Implementation Contract, which are available on line at several locations (www.tunngavik.ca is one). \r\n\r\nWhat exactly are yours?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2004 23:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada can either work as a strongly centralized melting pot; or, it can work as a strongly decentralized, non-assimilationist, multicultural confederation.  The current attempt to compromise is inherently unstable.

Regardless which path is chosen, we need to discard the quaint relics and notions of colonialism which were useful to maintain peace while opening up resources for exploitation, but a poor basis on which to build a nation.  What was good for Britain in the eighteenth century is not good for Canada in the twenty-first.  Every other level of government in Canada has to be firmly subordinated to the federal government.

Out of those paragraphs (57-61), which (or portions thereof) &quot;don&#039;t work&quot; for your vision?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;848&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;848&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;,&#039;Canada can either work as a strongly centralized melting pot; or, it can work as a strongly decentralized, non-assimilationist, multicultural confederation.  The current attempt to compromise is inherently unstable.\r\n\r\nRegardless which path is chosen, we need to discard the quaint relics and notions of colonialism which were useful to maintain peace while opening up resources for exploitation, but a poor basis on which to build a nation.  What was good for Britain in the eighteenth century is not good for Canada in the twenty-first.  Every other level of government in Canada has to be firmly subordinated to the federal government.\r\n\r\nOut of those paragraphs (57-61), which (or portions thereof) \&quot;don\&#039;t work\&quot; for your vision?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada can either work as a strongly centralized melting pot; or, it can work as a strongly decentralized, non-assimilationist, multicultural confederation.  The current attempt to compromise is inherently unstable.</p>
<p>Regardless which path is chosen, we need to discard the quaint relics and notions of colonialism which were useful to maintain peace while opening up resources for exploitation, but a poor basis on which to build a nation.  What was good for Britain in the eighteenth century is not good for Canada in the twenty-first.  Every other level of government in Canada has to be firmly subordinated to the federal government.</p>
<p>Out of those paragraphs (57-61), which (or portions thereof) &#8220;don&#8217;t work&#8221; for your vision?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('848','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('848','lrC','Canada can either work as a strongly centralized melting pot; or, it can work as a strongly decentralized, non-assimilationist, multicultural confederation.  The current attempt to compromise is inherently unstable.\r\n\r\nRegardless which path is chosen, we need to discard the quaint relics and notions of colonialism which were useful to maintain peace while opening up resources for exploitation, but a poor basis on which to build a nation.  What was good for Britain in the eighteenth century is not good for Canada in the twenty-first.  Every other level of government in Canada has to be firmly subordinated to the federal government.\r\n\r\nOut of those paragraphs (57-61), which (or portions thereof) \&quot;don\'t work\&quot; for your vision?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other words, you can understand how First Nations recognized by Canada AS nations might object to being assimilate by Canada? Yes, it&#039;s fairly clear, isn&#039;t it? 

And yet that&#039;s precisely what Mr. Flanagan, and presumably the Conservative Party, advocate.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;846&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;846&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;In other words, you can understand how First Nations recognized by Canada AS nations might object to being assimilate by Canada? Yes, it\&#039;s fairly clear, isn\&#039;t it? \r\n\r\nAnd yet that\&#039;s precisely what Mr. Flanagan, and presumably the Conservative Party, advocate.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, you can understand how First Nations recognized by Canada AS nations might object to being assimilate by Canada? Yes, it&#8217;s fairly clear, isn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>And yet that&#8217;s precisely what Mr. Flanagan, and presumably the Conservative Party, advocate.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('846','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('846','balbulican','In other words, you can understand how First Nations recognized by Canada AS nations might object to being assimilate by Canada? Yes, it\'s fairly clear, isn\'t it? \r\n\r\nAnd yet that\'s precisely what Mr. Flanagan, and presumably the Conservative Party, advocate.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That answer suffices.  I think the nations-within-a-nation path is a dead end, but I can understand why its adherents would object to the CPC policy direction.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;826&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;826&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;,&#039;That answer suffices.  I think the nations-within-a-nation path is a dead end, but I can understand why its adherents would object to the CPC policy direction.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That answer suffices.  I think the nations-within-a-nation path is a dead end, but I can understand why its adherents would object to the CPC policy direction.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('826','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('826','lrC','That answer suffices.  I think the nations-within-a-nation path is a dead end, but I can understand why its adherents would object to the CPC policy direction.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid to answer that question I&#8217;d have to explain the entire notion of self government and nation-to-nation relationships, then illustrate paragraph by paragraph how the CPoC position runs directly counter to the view of First Nations, Inuit and MÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â©tis. Suffice to say that this policy describes &#8220;self government&#8221; in terms somewhat akin to those proposed by the last liberal government: it is very much an assimiliationist vision. If you&#8217;re interested, you can find quite a bit of info at the AFN, MNC and ITK websites.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('819','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('819','balbulican','I\'m afraid to answer that question I\'d have to explain the entire notion of self government and nation-to-nation relationships, then illustrate paragraph by paragraph how the CPoC position runs directly counter to the view of First Nations, Inuit and M&Atilde;ƒ&AElig;’&Atilde;‚&Acirc;&copy;tis. Suffice to say that this policy describes \&quot;self government\&quot; in terms somewhat akin to those proposed by the last liberal government: it is very much an assimiliationist vision. If you\'re interested, you can find quite a bit of info at the AFN, MNC and ITK websites.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which parts inspire &quot;Yikes&quot;, and why?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;818&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;818&#039;,&#039;lrC&#039;,&#039;Which parts inspire \&quot;Yikes\&quot;, and why?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which parts inspire &#8220;Yikes&#8221;, and why?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('818','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('818','lrC','Which parts inspire \&quot;Yikes\&quot;, and why?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, IrC. I can certainly see why they didn&#039;t publicize that during the election campaign: and my question about the degree to which Tom Flanagan is setting the policy have now been answered. 

Yikes.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;816&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;816&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;Thanks, IrC. I can certainly see why they didn\&#039;t publicize that during the election campaign: and my question about the degree to which Tom Flanagan is setting the policy have now been answered. \r\n\r\nYikes.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, IrC. I can certainly see why they didn&#8217;t publicize that during the election campaign: and my question about the degree to which Tom Flanagan is setting the policy have now been answered. </p>
<p>Yikes.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('816','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('816','balbulican','Thanks, IrC. I can certainly see why they didn\'t publicize that during the election campaign: and my question about the degree to which Tom Flanagan is setting the policy have now been answered. \r\n\r\nYikes.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: lrC</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>lrC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If memory serves, policy is to be decided at a convention in Feb.  Anyways, here are some points from the CPC Policy Statement (the document is a basis for deliberations leading up to the convention) of 8 Sep 2004:</p>
<p>J) ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS</p>
<p>57. Aboriginal Affairs Principles</p>
<p>The Conservative Party of Canada believes that self-government must occur within the context of the Constitution of Canada. To ensure fairness and equality, a Conservative government will ensure that the principles of the Charter will apply to aboriginal self-government.</p>
<p>The Conservative Party of Canada believes giving aboriginal government the power to raise their own revenues will reduce the cycle of dependency; and that the performance and accountability of aboriginal self-government is enhanced when those who receive services contribute to the cost of those services.</p>
<p>58. Treaty and Land Claim Implementation</p>
<p>i) The Conservative Party of Canada believes that implementing the spirit and intent of federal commitments made in treaties and land claim agreements is a solemn government duty. The Conservative Party of Canada will, as a top priority, ensure the speedy resolution of the disgraceful backlog of land claims<br />
negotiations.</p>
<p>ii) To promote accountability for implementation measures, the Conservative Party of Canada supports annual reporting for treaties and land claim agreements consistent with recommendations in Chapter 9 of the November<br />
2003 Auditor GeneralÃƒÂ¢??s Report.</p>
<p>59. Land Title</p>
<p>i) The Conservative Party of Canada supports the development of a property regime that would encourage lending for private housing and businesses. This will promote economic opportunity and individual freedom.</p>
<p>ii) A Conservative government, in conjunction with First Nations, would create a First Nations Land Ownership Act, which would transfer Reserve land title from the Federal Crown to willing First Nations.</p>
<p>60. Matrimonial Property</p>
<p>The Conservative Party of Canada supports, in conjunction with First Nations, the creation of a matrimonial property code to protect spouses and children in cases of marriage breakdown.</p>
<p>61. Educational Choice</p>
<p>The Conservative Party of Canada proposes where available and agreed to by all parties, including provincial authorities, to offer choice in schooling for First Nations.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('813','lrC'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('813','lrC','If memory serves, policy is to be decided at a convention in Feb.  Anyways, here are some points from the CPC Policy Statement (the document is a basis for deliberations leading up to the convention) of 8 Sep 2004:\r\n\r\nJ) ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS\r\n\r\n57. Aboriginal Affairs Principles\r\n\r\nThe Conservative Party of Canada believes that self-government must occur within the context of the Constitution of Canada. To ensure fairness and equality, a Conservative government will ensure that the principles of the Charter will apply to aboriginal self-government.\r\n\r\nThe Conservative Party of Canada believes giving aboriginal government the power to raise their own revenues will reduce the cycle of dependency; and that the performance and accountability of aboriginal self-government is enhanced when those who receive services contribute to the cost of those services.\r\n\r\n58. Treaty and Land Claim Implementation\r\n\r\ni) The Conservative Party of Canada believes that implementing the spirit and intent of federal commitments made in treaties and land claim agreements is a solemn government duty. The Conservative Party of Canada will, as a top priority, ensure the speedy resolution of the disgraceful backlog of land claims\r\nnegotiations.\r\n\r\nii) To promote accountability for implementation measures, the Conservative Party of Canada supports annual reporting for treaties and land claim agreements consistent with recommendations in Chapter 9 of the November\r\n2003 Auditor General&Atilde;ƒ&Acirc;&cent;??s Report.\r\n\r\n59. Land Title\r\n\r\ni) The Conservative Party of Canada supports the development of a property regime that would encourage lending for private housing and businesses. This will promote economic opportunity and individual freedom.\r\n\r\nii) A Conservative government, in conjunction with First Nations, would create a First Nations Land Ownership Act, which would transfer Reserve land title from the Federal Crown to willing First Nations.\r\n\r\n60. Matrimonial Property\r\n\r\nThe Conservative Party of Canada supports, in conjunction with First Nations, the creation of a matrimonial property code to protect spouses and children in cases of marriage breakdown.\r\n\r\n61. Educational Choice\r\n\r\nThe Conservative Party of Canada proposes where available and agreed to by all parties, including provincial authorities, to offer choice in schooling for First Nations.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: balbulican</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>balbulican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;throw a few token bucks at the native population of Canada and hope they shut up until after the election.&quot;

I think that&#039;s a pretty good summary of the Liberal position. I believe the Conservative position is somewhat more innovative, in that it eliminates that first bit about throwing the token bucks, and moves efficiently to step two.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;810&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;810&#039;,&#039;balbulican&#039;,&#039;\&quot;throw a few token bucks at the native population of Canada and hope they shut up until after the election.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI think that\&#039;s a pretty good summary of the Liberal position. I believe the Conservative position is somewhat more innovative, in that it eliminates that first bit about throwing the token bucks, and moves efficiently to step two.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;throw a few token bucks at the native population of Canada and hope they shut up until after the election.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a pretty good summary of the Liberal position. I believe the Conservative position is somewhat more innovative, in that it eliminates that first bit about throwing the token bucks, and moves efficiently to step two.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('810','balbulican'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('810','balbulican','\&quot;throw a few token bucks at the native population of Canada and hope they shut up until after the election.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI think that\'s a pretty good summary of the Liberal position. I believe the Conservative position is somewhat more innovative, in that it eliminates that first bit about throwing the token bucks, and moves efficiently to step two.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.stageleft.info/2004/12/21/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-809</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Conservatives are probably thinking the same thing as the Liberals: throw a few token bucks at the native population of Canada and hope they shut up until after the election.  

I mean, isn&#039;t this what the government of Canada&#039;s been doing for the last 40 years?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;809&#039;,&#039;Jim&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;809&#039;,&#039;Jim&#039;,&#039;The Conservatives are probably thinking the same thing as the Liberals: throw a few token bucks at the native population of Canada and hope they shut up until after the election.  \r\n\r\nI mean, isn\&#039;t this what the government of Canada\&#039;s been doing for the last 40 years?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Conservatives are probably thinking the same thing as the Liberals: throw a few token bucks at the native population of Canada and hope they shut up until after the election.  </p>
<p>I mean, isn&#8217;t this what the government of Canada&#8217;s been doing for the last 40 years?
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